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EC, 43rd Advanced in South Africa do them, both B200 & 1900 P2 for about 3K, Not sure on the P1 only price as they are done together for the contract market.
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EC, not to sure about the JAA/JAR addition, give them a call, they are at Lanseria (FALA) in South Africa, They are 43rd Advanced training. Dont have a number with me as I am in Pakistan at the moment.
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I personally think you have made a wise decision with regards to your King Air rating. Your chances of picking up a King Air job will be far higher than with a 737 or a A320! I simply can't understand why people are so hell bent on getting a B737 or a A320 rating when certainly in the UK the employment opportunities are limited if you don't have any line experience!
If I were you I would go onto the CAA website and go to the aircraft registration database and find out exactly who has B200s. This method will also allow you to see the details of any privately owned B200s.
Remember with regards to logging flightime - you can log anything you wish but you have to bear in mind when it comes to licence issue (ATPL) what you can count. For the B200 the CAA need a letter from your operator to certify that the aircraft was flown in a 2 crew environment for any multi crew hours to be counted.
Look abroad as well since your chances will be far higher than probably in the UK.
All the best.
I personally think you have made a wise decision with regards to your King Air rating. Your chances of picking up a King Air job will be far higher than with a 737 or a A320! I simply can't understand why people are so hell bent on getting a B737 or a A320 rating when certainly in the UK the employment opportunities are limited if you don't have any line experience!
If I were you I would go onto the CAA website and go to the aircraft registration database and find out exactly who has B200s. This method will also allow you to see the details of any privately owned B200s.
Remember with regards to logging flightime - you can log anything you wish but you have to bear in mind when it comes to licence issue (ATPL) what you can count. For the B200 the CAA need a letter from your operator to certify that the aircraft was flown in a 2 crew environment for any multi crew hours to be counted.
Look abroad as well since your chances will be far higher than probably in the UK.
All the best.
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IMHO you have either made a good move, or a bad one depending on your total time and previous experience.
The Kingair is a single crew aircraft, fact. The insurance companies require that you have a reasonable number of hours to fly one (1100-1500 minimum dependent on which operator I think). If you have these hours you should be able to get a job relatvely easilly as piots with those amount of hours are taken by netjets and the majors. If you do not have that many hours you can not fly the aircraft for insurance reasons unless it is either under instruction or the operator is one of the very few with 2 crew ops. Just because you see 2 guys with white shirts and a flight case get off an aircraft does not mean it is being operated 2 crew as far as logging the hours is concerned.
I am aware of 5 Kingairs being imported onto the G regster this quarter, so there should be no problem with jobs if you have the required hours.
Let me know how many hours you have total.
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The Kingair is a single crew aircraft, fact. The insurance companies require that you have a reasonable number of hours to fly one (1100-1500 minimum dependent on which operator I think). If you have these hours you should be able to get a job relatvely easilly as piots with those amount of hours are taken by netjets and the majors. If you do not have that many hours you can not fly the aircraft for insurance reasons unless it is either under instruction or the operator is one of the very few with 2 crew ops. Just because you see 2 guys with white shirts and a flight case get off an aircraft does not mean it is being operated 2 crew as far as logging the hours is concerned.
I am aware of 5 Kingairs being imported onto the G regster this quarter, so there should be no problem with jobs if you have the required hours.
Let me know how many hours you have total.
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I am also considering doing a rating on the B200. At the moment I am doing the technical course but after that I haven't decided If, where and how to proceed.
As far as I know I could either take the check on the right side as F/O or as PIC. I guess the smartest thing is to do a PIC check so that you are not limited in any way when applying for a position even though you'll probably end up on the right side.
Here in scandinavia I think the operators mainly fly 2-crew but I am not sure.
What are the chances for a foreigner to get a job in UK flying B200?
My hours are 1200 TT with 300 Multi and 300 Turbine. I am mainly flying skydivers at the moment.
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As far as I know I could either take the check on the right side as F/O or as PIC. I guess the smartest thing is to do a PIC check so that you are not limited in any way when applying for a position even though you'll probably end up on the right side.
Here in scandinavia I think the operators mainly fly 2-crew but I am not sure.
What are the chances for a foreigner to get a job in UK flying B200?
My hours are 1200 TT with 300 Multi and 300 Turbine. I am mainly flying skydivers at the moment.
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Ingo1 just apply to the usual suspects: GAMA, Dragonfly, Flight Precision Ltd - do a google search for contact info or join a group like IPA / BALPA and get info that way.
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Phil,
Beech 200 is certified for one or two crew. Thats in the manual. It is also very evident by the cockpit layout.
Ingo1 make sure you can pass the P1 check and that you know the machine, dont base your decision on what you can do with the rating, base it on how well you know and can fly the aeroplane.
Beech 200 is certified for one or two crew. Thats in the manual. It is also very evident by the cockpit layout.
Ingo1 make sure you can pass the P1 check and that you know the machine, dont base your decision on what you can do with the rating, base it on how well you know and can fly the aeroplane.
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B200,
I know the aircraft is certfied for 1 or 2 crew, but in the UK nearly every operator has a single crew AOC on this aircraft. Therefore it makes the hours as an FO / Safety pilot unloggable. If you can't log it it's not going to get your career going very far.
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I know the aircraft is certfied for 1 or 2 crew, but in the UK nearly every operator has a single crew AOC on this aircraft. Therefore it makes the hours as an FO / Safety pilot unloggable. If you can't log it it's not going to get your career going very far.
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Actually Public Transport the a/c is 2 crew - talk with GAMA, TITAN and the like. For Calibration work, under ICAO Annex 10, above average crew required for Multi Crew operation - hence Flight Precision Ltd fly 3 crew (Capt, FO and Flight inspector - although only front end can log the hours)
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Angelorange,
Saying the BE20 is a 2 crew aircraft is like saying the Seneca is a 2 crew aircraft. It is a single crew aircraft, however some operators choose to operate with 2 crew.
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Saying the BE20 is a 2 crew aircraft is like saying the Seneca is a 2 crew aircraft. It is a single crew aircraft, however some operators choose to operate with 2 crew.
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Please check my other posts on the subject - I am not trying to claim this to be a two crew a/c. See JAR for MPA and SPA listings. There the Be90/100/200 and even the much heavier Be1900 are SPA because they were certified that way. On the other hand, the Jetstream 31/32 is MPA but lighter than a Be1900.
So, where an a/c is SPA, it is HOW that machine is operated that determines crewing eg: PPL VFR, Aerial Work, Public Transport or specialised flying - different rules apply - it is not just an SPA/MPA airframe certification issue. See also CAP 393 ANO part 4 , section 25. para 4 a through c.
So, where an a/c is SPA, it is HOW that machine is operated that determines crewing eg: PPL VFR, Aerial Work, Public Transport or specialised flying - different rules apply - it is not just an SPA/MPA airframe certification issue. See also CAP 393 ANO part 4 , section 25. para 4 a through c.
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Angelorange is 100% right !
You can operate a King Air with 2 crew, 1 pf and 1 pnf, only if it is WRITTEN like that IN the Operational Manual of the compagny for this aircraft.
It doesn't depend of how this aircraft is certified.
You can operate a King Air with 2 crew, 1 pf and 1 pnf, only if it is WRITTEN like that IN the Operational Manual of the compagny for this aircraft.
It doesn't depend of how this aircraft is certified.
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Boheme - with a B200 rating from FSI and speaking French, I am sure that you would be able to find something in Africa.
Its a small step from the 200 to the 1900, and lots of 1900s out there at the moment.
Its a small step from the 200 to the 1900, and lots of 1900s out there at the moment.