PPRuNe Recruitment and Training Seminar **UPDATED**
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Just like to say a BIG thank you to all those involved in organising the pprune Wanabee's Seminar and Gatbash. You've given us wanabee's something to aspire to!
C U next year
G
C U next year
G
Join Date: Jan 2006
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Aw thats not fair your car made it there
Can we please have next years do at manchester airport where i can walk to incase i breakdown again
. Or maybe my front room
Can we please have next years do at manchester airport where i can walk to incase i breakdown again
. Or maybe my front room
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Thanks to everyone who made the seminar possible, I found it really useful and especially enjoyed hearing about the experiences of the speakers. I would definately reccommend it to anyone interested in this career. Thanks again
Join Date: May 2005
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I too have to agree with what has been said. I enjoyed the whole day. Very informative and the speakers were a great bunch and funny. Would recommend that you go to the next one. Cheers guys
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Hello,
I had been hoping to come to the seminar on saturday as well but unfortunately this wasn't possible due to numbers. For those of us in my position, would those who did attend (or the speakers themselves?) be able to fill the unlucky few in on some details?
What was covered; has it changed your views; what are the realities of the job from the horses mouth (compared with the commonly held public perception of lots of time off and great pay!); was there much you garnered from the seminar that has not been covered a thousand times on PPRUNE; and perhaps most importantly, are all you wannabees STILL wannabees?!?
Gutted I couldnt attend but I'd also like to say thankyou to everyone involved in pprune who use up their own valuable free time to put on these events just to help guide others. I have been reading Pprune for months and your input has taught me a lot....but you still havent put me off the dream just yet!
Many thanks
I had been hoping to come to the seminar on saturday as well but unfortunately this wasn't possible due to numbers. For those of us in my position, would those who did attend (or the speakers themselves?) be able to fill the unlucky few in on some details?
What was covered; has it changed your views; what are the realities of the job from the horses mouth (compared with the commonly held public perception of lots of time off and great pay!); was there much you garnered from the seminar that has not been covered a thousand times on PPRUNE; and perhaps most importantly, are all you wannabees STILL wannabees?!?
Gutted I couldnt attend but I'd also like to say thankyou to everyone involved in pprune who use up their own valuable free time to put on these events just to help guide others. I have been reading Pprune for months and your input has taught me a lot....but you still havent put me off the dream just yet!
Many thanks
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Thanks very much to everyone at Pprune for Saturday's seminar day and giving your spare time to pass on your experience. Highly recommended to anyone who is considering a career in aviation, starting ATPL training or looking for a job.
Cheers!
ZW
Cheers!
ZW
Join Date: May 2006
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Hello to all that attended the seminar!
I also were unable to attend as I didn't get in early enough to secure a place.
As the previous question posted by Plastic Ruler, I would like to know if the seminar reinforced your ambition to be a pilot or made you stop and reconsider in any way?
Any thoughts / highlights of the day greatly appreciated........
Many thanks
JJ
As the previous question posted by Plastic Ruler, I would like to know if the seminar reinforced your ambition to be a pilot or made you stop and reconsider in any way?
Any thoughts / highlights of the day greatly appreciated........
Many thanks
JJ
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Jimbo-Jet and co
From my point of view the seminar just increased my ambition to become a commercial pilot. It was great to hear how the speakers all got where they are today and shows that it can be done. Don't get me wrong, it will be hard getting that first job, but the message they were giving us all was to get your foot into the aviation door first, then work your way up to that " Shiney Jet Job " after. For me thats the advice I will take and if it means working Air Taxi first, then so be it.
The topic of SSTR was spoken about, and the result?...well no suprise but it is here to stay. The way its paid for may change, but the onus on paying for the TR will be with the student.
Multi Crew Pilot licence ( MPL ) was also discussed, but I didn't quite understand it all, so I wont discuss it here for fear of getting wrong
CV's and what is expected and looked for was another topic which interested me. Again won't bore you with the details here so IM me if want it.
Q and A's at the end.
Speakers were great, very funny and finally got to put faces to names ( even saw the legendry SCRGOGGS )...Worth going to in future if you can.
From my point of view the seminar just increased my ambition to become a commercial pilot. It was great to hear how the speakers all got where they are today and shows that it can be done. Don't get me wrong, it will be hard getting that first job, but the message they were giving us all was to get your foot into the aviation door first, then work your way up to that " Shiney Jet Job " after. For me thats the advice I will take and if it means working Air Taxi first, then so be it.
The topic of SSTR was spoken about, and the result?...well no suprise but it is here to stay. The way its paid for may change, but the onus on paying for the TR will be with the student.
Multi Crew Pilot licence ( MPL ) was also discussed, but I didn't quite understand it all, so I wont discuss it here for fear of getting wrong
CV's and what is expected and looked for was another topic which interested me. Again won't bore you with the details here so IM me if want it.
Q and A's at the end.
Speakers were great, very funny and finally got to put faces to names ( even saw the legendry SCRGOGGS )...Worth going to in future if you can.
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I guess what info I have is only the bits that I felt applied to me and noted down. Some were taking furious notes throughout so they might have a more comprehensive account.
Some of the things I took away from the day:
General..
CVs..
Interviews..
Thats most of the general stuff I had noted down, there was a lot more..some specific to my situation and some not relevant to what I was looking at..but all useful.
At one point before lunch they were a bit worried they had put us all off the idea of flying with an hour of doom and gloom stuff but there was a resounding NO from the audience! Its good to be aware of the state of things, its not the glamourous job it used to be, Ts&Cs are being eroded slowely, its tough to get the break into the industry etc. But from all the people that spoke they all said it was definately worth it (either directly or from the enthusiasm with which they spoke about their jobs).
Hope thats of use to some. For the full version and the chance to get it from the horses mouth, make sure are quick to book a place when it next happens!
Plus it was good to put some faces to names on this forum!
Some of the things I took away from the day:
General..
- Industry is in a good position, best its been for a long time. A lot of airlines hiring. Easyjet/Ryanair all have big quotas of pilots the need to fill next year. Massive growth in the Far/Middle East, drawing pilots away and opening up more vacancies.
- Note tudeski's comment about SSTR. They are here to stay in one form or another. Whether you pay up front before getting a job, or pay the TR back through bonds/reduced salary.
- Get your foot in the industry, its easier to move sideways and up in the inudstry once you're in, than go for the one job you want from the beginning.
- At the same time have a 'go get em' attitude and be ambitious. Keep pestering/contacting the airlines, target your CVs and applications and don't give up.
CVs..
- At the top: DOB, Hours & experience. Have the most important things at the top so the recruiter can see them straight away.
- Photos, coloured paper. No big deal either way, be don't over do it and be circumspect. No gaudy paper and huge photos, keep it professional.
- Don't fudge your experience and try and inflate things. Be accurate and clear.
- Low hours pilots - need a selling point, a hook to catch the recruiter. Find something to sell, e.g. Working under pressure, leadership/management experience. Always try to relate jobs/experiences listed on your CV to useful qualities and responsibilities etc.
- One A4 page, don't worry about a cover letter unless asked for one.
Interviews..
- Be ready for those spur of the moment questions to put you under pressure - most embarassing moment etc.
- Know your context
- Good company knowledge and background knowledge of the industry
- Ask knowledgable questions at the end
- Read forums like Tech Log/Airlines, Airports & Routes to get more background knowledge, useful little bits of info
- Be ready for the caught between a rock and a hard place kind of questions, e.g. 'Tell us about a low fuel situation' or how you deal with other people or 'What was your worst incident in commercial aviation'
Thats most of the general stuff I had noted down, there was a lot more..some specific to my situation and some not relevant to what I was looking at..but all useful.
At one point before lunch they were a bit worried they had put us all off the idea of flying with an hour of doom and gloom stuff but there was a resounding NO from the audience! Its good to be aware of the state of things, its not the glamourous job it used to be, Ts&Cs are being eroded slowely, its tough to get the break into the industry etc. But from all the people that spoke they all said it was definately worth it (either directly or from the enthusiasm with which they spoke about their jobs).
Hope thats of use to some. For the full version and the chance to get it from the horses mouth, make sure are quick to book a place when it next happens!
Plus it was good to put some faces to names on this forum!
Going up!
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Pprune Seminar
I would like to add my thanks to each of you who gave of your time to participate in the seminar last Saturday. The information, ideas and stories of the progress of each of you gave depth to what sometimes can seem like a linear (and misleading!) concept of training and subsequent employment!
In partial answer to the question as to whether some of the negative aspects were off-putting- I am really a mini-wanabee but I have to say that (for some reason!) my flying lesson this past week had an added dimension of insight and focus. For that I am grateful to all at Pprune Towers!
It was also a bonus to have had the opportunity to meet so many other wanabees in one place !!
All the best-
Yistoph
In partial answer to the question as to whether some of the negative aspects were off-putting- I am really a mini-wanabee but I have to say that (for some reason!) my flying lesson this past week had an added dimension of insight and focus. For that I am grateful to all at Pprune Towers!
It was also a bonus to have had the opportunity to meet so many other wanabees in one place !!
All the best-
Yistoph
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I can only add my thanks to all concerned in putting on this seminar and for all who gave their time freely to present on the day.
I would thoroughly recommend any future events on the back of the interest relevance and style of this one.
An excellent chance to get together and talk with people who are currently aspiring and also to those who have progressed and seen and done most things within commercial aviation.
One again many thanks
Tommy
I would thoroughly recommend any future events on the back of the interest relevance and style of this one.
An excellent chance to get together and talk with people who are currently aspiring and also to those who have progressed and seen and done most things within commercial aviation.
One again many thanks
Tommy
