First type rating and valid IR
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First type rating and valid IR
Hello,a young friend of mine has just been offered his first job,only problem is that his IR expires a couple of weeks before the start of the course,is this a requirment?im thinking that the final LPC in the sim counts as a IR renewal?!if anyone has got any info would be great!
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Hi lgw Warrior
The answer to that question is Yes he does need a valid IR in order to start the type rating. That is one of the requirements which must be fulfilled in order to enrol on the course. The LST which he will then do as part of the TR will be a Multi pilot IR and is not the same as what your friend currently holds, which I assume is a single crew ME/IR.
I am pretty sure this is correct (as Flight Safety stipulated this when I did my TR with them) but if you want to be absolutely sure contact the CAA but my advise would be to go get it done before the course.
Alternatively just ask the company who is recruiting him, they should know the answer.
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The answer to that question is Yes he does need a valid IR in order to start the type rating. That is one of the requirements which must be fulfilled in order to enrol on the course. The LST which he will then do as part of the TR will be a Multi pilot IR and is not the same as what your friend currently holds, which I assume is a single crew ME/IR.
I am pretty sure this is correct (as Flight Safety stipulated this when I did my TR with them) but if you want to be absolutely sure contact the CAA but my advise would be to go get it done before the course.
Alternatively just ask the company who is recruiting him, they should know the answer.
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He does need a valid M/E IR to start the type rating, however he can re-new it in the sim as it`s the IR bit he needs, not the multi-engine piston rating. Means should only cost approx £120- £200 instead of hiring a twin at approx £370- £500.
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There's a big difference between valid and current.
Valid means that you have one and even though it may not be current it is still within the time period for revalidation rather than starting from scratch.
When I did my first MPA type rating, my IR had lapsed a few months before, but it was still valid.
Valid means that you have one and even though it may not be current it is still within the time period for revalidation rather than starting from scratch.
When I did my first MPA type rating, my IR had lapsed a few months before, but it was still valid.
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t/r and IR are bonded...
"an applicant for the revalidation of an IR when combined with a class rating or a t/r shall complete a prof. check in accordance with...etc etc...in this case the instrument rating will be valid for the same period as the class or t/r except in the case of single engine,..."
once again, the IR you hold is only good for single pilot aircraft. so even valid, it is totally useless on a big jet.
Your school sold you a useless training as you are going to learn to fly Instrument in the sim!!!.
"an applicant for the revalidation of an IR when combined with a class rating or a t/r shall complete a prof. check in accordance with...etc etc...in this case the instrument rating will be valid for the same period as the class or t/r except in the case of single engine,..."
once again, the IR you hold is only good for single pilot aircraft. so even valid, it is totally useless on a big jet.
Your school sold you a useless training as you are going to learn to fly Instrument in the sim!!!.
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LASORS Section F4
This is what Lasors says for Multi-pilot Aeroplane type rating
Pre-requisite conditions for training
An applicant for the first type rating for an MPA shall provide evidence that the following requirements have been met:-
a) have completed at least 100 hours as pilot-in-command of areoplanes
b) hold a current and valid multi-engine instrument rating (aeroplanes)This is only a requirement for an initial MPA type rating and not subsequent type ratings;
c) is about MCC
d) is about having passed ATPL's
So I think it is fair to say for your 1st type rating you need both a valid and current IR.
Pre-requisite conditions for training
An applicant for the first type rating for an MPA shall provide evidence that the following requirements have been met:-
a) have completed at least 100 hours as pilot-in-command of areoplanes
b) hold a current and valid multi-engine instrument rating (aeroplanes)This is only a requirement for an initial MPA type rating and not subsequent type ratings;
c) is about MCC
d) is about having passed ATPL's
So I think it is fair to say for your 1st type rating you need both a valid and current IR.
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Yes as part of your TR you will also get another IR but this IR is a Multi Pilot IR and can only be used in two crew operations, you can't get into your Seneca and fly IMC with a MPA IR.
The pre-requite requires one to have a current and valid Multi engine IR (single crew) before you start the course.
Yes as part of your TR you will also get another IR but this IR is a Multi Pilot IR and can only be used in two crew operations, you can't get into your Seneca and fly IMC with a MPA IR.
The pre-requite requires one to have a current and valid Multi engine IR (single crew) before you start the course.
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Guy's, OBK is quite correct in what he says.
I was in the situation where my IR had lapsed ( by at least 2 months) before i commenced my type rating course, however the requirement is to have held it within the last 5 years. ie. the IR is VALID but not CURRENT.
I was in the situation where my IR had lapsed ( by at least 2 months) before i commenced my type rating course, however the requirement is to have held it within the last 5 years. ie. the IR is VALID but not CURRENT.
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Is is prudent to keep your MEP/IR current,as both of mine have lapsed by a couple of months.I figured,if i get a letter saying to come for an interview then i'd get it done the weekend before hand.
I know you should,just in case,just thought i'd get a general consensus.
I know you should,just in case,just thought i'd get a general consensus.
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Definately keep your ratings current when applying for jobs.
However, once a job offer is on the table, it depends whether the company requires you to keep things current until starting your type rating course.
However, once a job offer is on the table, it depends whether the company requires you to keep things current until starting your type rating course.
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It is a good idea to be in current instrument flying practice anyway prior to starting your type rating. The candidate is going to be expected to know how to fly a non-precision approach, fly holds etc. and to have a reasonable scan. It would be a good idea to renew it and to do some additional practice at the same time....
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I think that the confusion here arises from the fact that JAR-FCL states that the rating only needs to be valid, whereas LASORS states that it should also be current. Personally, I wouldn't take the risk that I might end up down at the CAA arguing the merits of JAR-FCL versus their own publication, LASORS. 99% of the time it'd be fine I'm sure...
