Getting those 'quality' hours - Aircraft types recognised by airlines

[scameron77]

Just got this off of the BA website. Please, I'm just looking for some people to fill in the blanks, not question my motives, or my chances or suitability. (sorry for being a bit aggressive at the start fo the thread but my 160 posts on here have taught me to set the stall out, it just saves the thread decending into name calling by post 6 )

Some of us will already be aware of these requirements for many people working for BA/Virgin was the goal on day one of training. I'm also not ashamed to say I am one of those people.

The idea behind the tread was to compile a list of aircraft to aim for when job hunting. Beggars can't be chosers however and any paying job after shelling out the best part of 30k to 60k must be considered very welcome indeed.

• The Shorthaul minimum requirements are a ATPL(F) with 750 hours recent experience on a turbojet/turboprop transport category aeroplane with a MTOM greater that 10 tonnes or an approved passenger seating configuration of not less than 20 passengers.
  
• The Longhaul minimum requirements are a valid ATPL with a minimum of 2000 hrs total time with at least 1000 hrs on either Jet Transport with MTOM of 25 tonnes and greater, or a Multi Crew turboprop transport aircraft or Military equivalent with MTOM of greater than 50 tonnes.

My questions are as follows:

• Are the limitations expressed above taken from any offical JAA/CAA document outlining differences in categories of aircraft? I'm thinking of Lasors or any similar document/regulations.
  
• What would be the type of aircraft that would adhere to the minimum requirements for Shorthaul and Longhaul as defined above? I'm thinking the smallest permissable upwards. i.e compiling a list for shorthaul, Shorts 360, etc.
  
• Also which aircraft are not compliant with the above? i.e. Beach King Air 90/200/350, Beech 1900, etc.

Thanks in advance.

[redsnail]

I'm afraid the Kingairs won't count. They are either 5,700kg or 6,800kg and that's a tad below the 10 tonne requirement. Also I think the Beech 1900 might miss out as it's a 19 seater. All of which is a pity as they are more "complex" than the mighty Shed that does qualify.

You'd have to look at bigger bizjets than the Citation Bravo. Probably a good start would be the Hawker 800XP. That comes in at 12.8 tonnes.
Again the irony with the likes of the Bravo, the Citation XLS and the Hawker 400XP (aka Beechjet 400/Mitsubishi Diamond) is that they don't qualify whereas the simple to operate Shed (Shorts 360) does.

Dash 8's, Saab 340's, Embraer 135-145's, CRJ's all qualify for short haul. You'd probably have to go to the Bae 146 for direct long haul.

[Troy McClure]

G-INFO on the CAA's website (http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...pplicationid=1) includes max take-off weight for all aircraft on the register. Enter aircraft type in the box and pick one of the list to check MTOW.

[scameron77]

So as it stands

1 kilogram = 2.20462262 pounds

BA Shorthaul requirements:
10 tonnes MTOM = 10,000 kg x 2.20462262 = 22,047 pounds or 20+ seats

Aircraft Covered:
Bombadier Q100/200/300/400 CRJ100/200
Fokker F-27/28 and 50/70/100
ATR 42/72
Embraer 145 and down + E-170
BAE 146
Shorts 360
DHC Dash 7/8
Citation Bravo
Hawker 800XP
Dornier 328
SAAB 340/2000
X-Wing
Y-Wing

BA Longhaul Requirements:
25 tonnes MTOM = 25,000 kg x 2.20462262 = 55,116 pounds

Aircraft Covered:
Bombardier CRJ700
Embraer 170 and up
B737+
A318+
Millenium Falcon
B-Wing

Aircraft not recognised by BA:
Beech 1900
King Air 90/200/350
Shorts 330
Twin Otter
Tie Fighter (made with composite materials therefore just falls under threshold)
The Speeder used on the Ewok Planet

BA Recruiter: So tell me about the last bird you flew?
Interviewee: MMMwwwahhhh mmeeee maaahhhhh
BA Recruiter: Really, so give me an example where you personally overcome a problematic situation?
Interviewee: wwwwUUUU mmaaaahhhh mmme meee muuuuhhhh waaaaa
BA Recruiter: Imperial forces? Well I never, so you had problems with the hyper-drive then?
etc.

[Superpilot]

scameron,

Following on from your post then, lets try to find out which operators and airlines (with at least one UK base) fly each of the aircraft types below. If others can highlight each of their minimum requirements that would be great. I'll get the ball rolling.

Bombadier Q100/200/300/400 CRJ100/200
Fokker F-27/28 and 50/70/100
ATR 42/72 - Air Atlantique, Air Arran, Aurigney
Embraer 145 and down + E-170 - British Midland Regional, BA Connect
BAE 146 - FlyBE, BA Connect, CityJet, FlightLine, Titan Airways
Shorts 360 - Emerald Airways,
DHC Dash 7/8 - VLM, BA Connect, EuroManx (2)
Citation Bravo - London Executive Aviation
Hawker 800XP - London Executive Aviation? NetJets?
Dornier 328 - Scot Air, Eastern Airways (1)
SAAB 340/2000 - Loganair, Eastern Airways

I'll keep updating this post with any new details

Thanks