A320Rider
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Belgium
Age: 48
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Oh man, we all really must be bored...
Just a question from the sideline; has A320rider really attacked anyone personally as many times as he has been attacked?
What I have seen is that he often has a very strong opinion over things but I never saw him attacking someone personally, just having a strong point of view. OK, maybe not always very optimistic but this is an open forum...
Sorry 'Send Clowns' I've appreciated some of your answers very much but you're getting obsessed man...banning people hasn't been done in Western Europe since WWII...
Just a question from the sideline; has A320rider really attacked anyone personally as many times as he has been attacked?
What I have seen is that he often has a very strong opinion over things but I never saw him attacking someone personally, just having a strong point of view. OK, maybe not always very optimistic but this is an open forum...
Sorry 'Send Clowns' I've appreciated some of your answers very much but you're getting obsessed man...banning people hasn't been done in Western Europe since WWII...
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 1997
Location: Suffolk UK
Posts: 4,927
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Oh yes it has! Banning is a treat I reserve for special people and special occasions! However, you're right. A320Rider has done nothing worse that post his less than rosy utlook on life and recruiting in particular. As someone else said, just because it's not what you want to hear does not mean the message isn't valid. Yes, he goes off on a conspiracy-theorist tangent occasionally, but there are a lot of people out there in his position, and it must feel like the whole aviation world's against them. I let him stay because he adds a useful balance to all the rose-tinted specs you guys see life through!
Scroggs
Scroggs
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Belgium
Age: 48
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
So Scroggs, you're the man to know; are there any personal attacks? and I'm not talking about the right to defend oneself...
And...as you just stated; if rider hasn't been banned until today, you agree there's not so much horror as the reactions claim?
And...as you just stated; if rider hasn't been banned until today, you agree there's not so much horror as the reactions claim?
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: LPPT
Age: 58
Posts: 431
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
@rduarte Ora nem mais companheiro, e infelizmente é assim em todo o lado 
Right, I'm on the verge of start flight training during the course of this year, and although A320rider’s views are somehow radical and sometimes out of proportion, they will not make me quit just because, but I personally have to give him some credit for some things he refers to.
I will not put my head in the sand and pretend that this industry is any better than any other. We all know that flying academies/schools are in for a profit so they all have to keep their possible clients on such a high level of interest that’s almost toxic. They simply need their wannabe (cash) flowing in nicely. We also know that nobody wants to throw money out the window so all the people that joins a school has to study his arse off to get the dreadful license. If you succeed in your training, great, another bloke is out with a frozen license. What you do with that piece of paper is up to you, either frame it and put it above the fireplace, or start looking for a job whatever it takes. For the school, their work is done and another course is open and ready to be filled with more wannabes.
If you jump into it without assessing your chances of surviving the financial blow that’s coming real fast towards you it’s just “plane” crazy. So I know what I’m up against AND I’m prepared for it. No pain, no gain. What happens is that some people have the wrong idea from the very beginning i.e. if one is paying the price of a 911 Turbo in exchange for a license and a type rating ergo they feel they’re entitled to a gawd damn job at the other hand, as if they’re buying a job. Hello!!... nobody buys a job, everybody has to work their way up, just like any other job. For those of you that know something about the IT business know that if you take all kinds of our specific “type-ratings” like Micro$oft, Novell, etc it doesn’t mean you have a job just waiting for you. It only means that you have better chances of getting to the top of the pile. That’s how I understand TRs on top of the fATPL.
You’re not forced to take a TR but it sure helps. TRs are pornographically expensive, that’s true, but if you can’t get to the nice little apples on the tree top, don’t sit on your arse crying and dying of hunger, at least try to get as high as you can up that tree. Mind you, I would be very happy if one day I see myself flying a crop-duster or a fire-fighting plane. If I can fly anything with wings for a job and have the ability to pay my bills at the end of the day, that’s paradise to me.
GD&L over and out.
Right, I'm on the verge of start flight training during the course of this year, and although A320rider’s views are somehow radical and sometimes out of proportion, they will not make me quit just because, but I personally have to give him some credit for some things he refers to.
I will not put my head in the sand and pretend that this industry is any better than any other. We all know that flying academies/schools are in for a profit so they all have to keep their possible clients on such a high level of interest that’s almost toxic. They simply need their wannabe (cash) flowing in nicely. We also know that nobody wants to throw money out the window so all the people that joins a school has to study his arse off to get the dreadful license. If you succeed in your training, great, another bloke is out with a frozen license. What you do with that piece of paper is up to you, either frame it and put it above the fireplace, or start looking for a job whatever it takes. For the school, their work is done and another course is open and ready to be filled with more wannabes.
If you jump into it without assessing your chances of surviving the financial blow that’s coming real fast towards you it’s just “plane” crazy. So I know what I’m up against AND I’m prepared for it. No pain, no gain. What happens is that some people have the wrong idea from the very beginning i.e. if one is paying the price of a 911 Turbo in exchange for a license and a type rating ergo they feel they’re entitled to a gawd damn job at the other hand, as if they’re buying a job. Hello!!... nobody buys a job, everybody has to work their way up, just like any other job. For those of you that know something about the IT business know that if you take all kinds of our specific “type-ratings” like Micro$oft, Novell, etc it doesn’t mean you have a job just waiting for you. It only means that you have better chances of getting to the top of the pile. That’s how I understand TRs on top of the fATPL.
You’re not forced to take a TR but it sure helps. TRs are pornographically expensive, that’s true, but if you can’t get to the nice little apples on the tree top, don’t sit on your arse crying and dying of hunger, at least try to get as high as you can up that tree. Mind you, I would be very happy if one day I see myself flying a crop-duster or a fire-fighting plane. If I can fly anything with wings for a job and have the ability to pay my bills at the end of the day, that’s paradise to me.
GD&L over and out.
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Aberdeen
Posts: 128
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It would be a boring forum without someone like him to:
A)Wind people up
B)Be outspoken.
Also, like so many have already said, he does make some very pertinent points, just not in the most delicate of ways.
If/When he gets a job, he will start winding up people in the airline forums!
A)Wind people up
B)Be outspoken.
Also, like so many have already said, he does make some very pertinent points, just not in the most delicate of ways.
If/When he gets a job, he will start winding up people in the airline forums!
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: pomme....pomme !
Posts: 304
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by A320rider
(falo tambem portugueish e queiro un trabalio con la TAP!!!)
)Me too ! But I am not a Cpt ' son and I have more than 35 years old.
I am Happy flying for LUZair.
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: europe
Posts: 359
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
... I would like to wind up in the cockpit or in the airline forum, but actually all I can do is to warn all wanabees that the system will take all you have and leave you with no penny in your little pockets...
not only you will face problems with your bank, but with your family, friends, girlfriends,...
the system makes fun of you, included PPrune who advertises here. Just look at the top of your screen, and yo will see all the big lies!(even big flashing banners to get your attention)
if there is someone to blame, it is the guy who manage or own this website...
you can feel free to ban me, I do not care!you have already killed me and my family!!!
not only you will face problems with your bank, but with your family, friends, girlfriends,...
the system makes fun of you, included PPrune who advertises here. Just look at the top of your screen, and yo will see all the big lies!(even big flashing banners to get your attention)
if there is someone to blame, it is the guy who manage or own this website...
you can feel free to ban me, I do not care!you have already killed me and my family!!!
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Uk (for now)
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
320rider, your posts seem to be getting a little disturbing.
Whilst its good for someone to burst the bubble and spell out reality, the industry really aint that bad.
Granted, there are company’s out there that take the p
s and exploit wannabes, but this happens in every walk of life.
If an individual is foolish enough to spend nearly a hundred grand without the promise of a job, then the issue should be with them and not with the company.
If you are the right side of 45, with a FATPL and have 800 hours FI time then you WILL get a job. It probably will be flying turbo props and might not happen straight away but have faith....
Whilst its good for someone to burst the bubble and spell out reality, the industry really aint that bad.
Granted, there are company’s out there that take the p
s and exploit wannabes, but this happens in every walk of life.If an individual is foolish enough to spend nearly a hundred grand without the promise of a job, then the issue should be with them and not with the company.
If you are the right side of 45, with a FATPL and have 800 hours FI time then you WILL get a job. It probably will be flying turbo props and might not happen straight away but have faith....
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Dog house usually
Posts: 64
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
who ask you 60'0000 euro for a "pay to work" job? not me.
Scroggs is A320 that's why he's protecting him....................
Diving for cover as I type
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 304
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Much of what he says is true and he has the right to say it, but it's presented in a cranky way. Why the constant changes in user name? Why pretend that you are getting an A320 rating (when you were posting as Spaceman) and why pretend to have an ERJ type rating? These are just a few of the past claims. I just don't get it!
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Saaaaaaffffhampton
Posts: 340
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
A320
Most of what A320has said is true, however its not what you say but the way you say it!!
Makes for light hearted reading though, I also think that most of us go into the industry without the rose tinted glasses and understand the pitfalls it just becomes a reality check again when we have all the ticks in the box and getting the job is considerably harder than getting the coveted CPL/IR.
Anyway back to it, so do you have a CPL / IR?
Makes for light hearted reading though, I also think that most of us go into the industry without the rose tinted glasses and understand the pitfalls it just becomes a reality check again when we have all the ticks in the box and getting the job is considerably harder than getting the coveted CPL/IR.
Anyway back to it, so do you have a CPL / IR?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I reiterate for the hard of reading: A320RIDER DOES NOT HAVE ANY ALTEREGOS ON THIS BOARD
For example check out this thread and see if you recognise skyman68's style
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=141127
You don't have to be a forensic psychologist to spot the similarities.
Even more interesting is this post below:
The person that is currently posting as [A320Rider] Skyman68 and piperindian is the same person. He has been posting here since 2001, perhaps earlier. He posted under various names, many of which have been banned. Here is a list of some of them:
lovefly1968
Ronchonner
Gorky
piperindian
superpilot68
gorky
poor-pilot
ronchy
tailboom2000
grognon
ROCHEREAU
Arnaud
[Click on the profiles and then on “search for all posts by this user” and you will see what I mean]
His original posts were quite obviously wind ups. But after a while he probably got bored of having to create a new email address to re-register every time he was banned, so he changed his style. It’s a little more subtle these days. But the same old traits are still there:
His posts are usually riddled with bad grammar, spelling and punctuation.
I’m not sure whether this is deliberate of just lazy, but he is vaguely capable of correcting it. Particularly when he is posting from an alias that claims to for the UK, such as piperindian.
He usually claims to be French.
I actually doubt he is and his French seems to be as bad as his English.
He goes out of his way to criticise the JAA.
He often claims to hold an FAA license and/or an instructor rating. He once claimed to own an FTO too.
He almost always complains about the lack of, or difficulty in getting jobs, particularly for a JAA wannabe.
This is his most consistent point. It has been the recurrent theme in almost all his posts under all his aliases.
For some unknown reason he has been on a crusade to convince people not to become pilots, particularly thought the JAA system. Perhaps he’s a failed wannabe who is can’t stand the thought of other achieving the dream that he could not. I don’t know.
What ever his reasons are, he’s a delusional charlatan with too much time on his hands. Don’t listen to a single word he says.
lovefly1968
Ronchonner
Gorky
piperindian
superpilot68
gorky
poor-pilot
ronchy
tailboom2000
grognon
ROCHEREAU
Arnaud
[Click on the profiles and then on “search for all posts by this user” and you will see what I mean]
His original posts were quite obviously wind ups. But after a while he probably got bored of having to create a new email address to re-register every time he was banned, so he changed his style. It’s a little more subtle these days. But the same old traits are still there:
His posts are usually riddled with bad grammar, spelling and punctuation.
I’m not sure whether this is deliberate of just lazy, but he is vaguely capable of correcting it. Particularly when he is posting from an alias that claims to for the UK, such as piperindian.
He usually claims to be French.
I actually doubt he is and his French seems to be as bad as his English.
He goes out of his way to criticise the JAA.
He often claims to hold an FAA license and/or an instructor rating. He once claimed to own an FTO too.
He almost always complains about the lack of, or difficulty in getting jobs, particularly for a JAA wannabe.
This is his most consistent point. It has been the recurrent theme in almost all his posts under all his aliases.
For some unknown reason he has been on a crusade to convince people not to become pilots, particularly thought the JAA system. Perhaps he’s a failed wannabe who is can’t stand the thought of other achieving the dream that he could not. I don’t know.
What ever his reasons are, he’s a delusional charlatan with too much time on his hands. Don’t listen to a single word he says.
As a side note, just because his IP says he is from Switzerland doesn't mean he is. It only takes a few minutes to find and configure a public proxy.
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Cheltenham Spa
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hi all,
Just my pennies worth but I was told the following truth about aviation training....
"FTO's are like Gypsies, all live in prefabricated buildings and are thieving ****ers !!!"
I have to admit that I haven't been to any FTO that's had a building made from brick and hasn't tried to rip me off
Happy Landings
Just my pennies worth but I was told the following truth about aviation training....
"FTO's are like Gypsies, all live in prefabricated buildings and are thieving ****ers !!!"
I have to admit that I haven't been to any FTO that's had a building made from brick and hasn't tried to rip me off
Happy Landings
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 1997
Location: Suffolk UK
Posts: 4,927
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ok, this is getting silly. The effort required to establish multiple identities on different proxy servers is out of all proportion to the effect gained. I trust you aren't paranoid 0-8; you must see conspiracies and threats to your sanity at every turn!
We did have a bit of a game with Ronchonner a few years ago, and he did register a number of usernames. Unfortunately, all records of him have been wiped from Pprune, but I can confirm that Skyman68, lovefly1968, Gorky (banned) and poor-pilot were all the same person - whether they were Ronchonner or not, I can no longer say, but I do know the real name of the individual who adopted these usernames. I have the registration information from his original ID.
gorkyy, tailboom2000, Grogan, Rocherau and Arnaud have all disappeared from our records.
piperindian has been active throughout this period and posts from Belgium. I have reason to believe he also posts as skysherriff.
While it is possible to hide or disguise an IP address from detection, it's rare that any user does so on Pprune. Members with multiple IDs are easily detected using our back-office software, and commercial tracing software can establish your (or your proxy's) location reasonably accurately. The effort required to hide an identity further is just not worth the time involved for those on this forum.
The fact that a poster has somewhat idiosyncratic English normally means that they are not an native English speaker. People from a given country (or native language) often display similar idiosyncracies. I'm afraid that, as an aid to identification, it's pretty much a waste of time unless you can get a voice or handwriting trace.
This is an aviation internet forum, not Private Detective Monthly. Now grow up.
Scroggs
We did have a bit of a game with Ronchonner a few years ago, and he did register a number of usernames. Unfortunately, all records of him have been wiped from Pprune, but I can confirm that Skyman68, lovefly1968, Gorky (banned) and poor-pilot were all the same person - whether they were Ronchonner or not, I can no longer say, but I do know the real name of the individual who adopted these usernames. I have the registration information from his original ID.
gorkyy, tailboom2000, Grogan, Rocherau and Arnaud have all disappeared from our records.
piperindian has been active throughout this period and posts from Belgium. I have reason to believe he also posts as skysherriff.
While it is possible to hide or disguise an IP address from detection, it's rare that any user does so on Pprune. Members with multiple IDs are easily detected using our back-office software, and commercial tracing software can establish your (or your proxy's) location reasonably accurately. The effort required to hide an identity further is just not worth the time involved for those on this forum.
The fact that a poster has somewhat idiosyncratic English normally means that they are not an native English speaker. People from a given country (or native language) often display similar idiosyncracies. I'm afraid that, as an aid to identification, it's pretty much a waste of time unless you can get a voice or handwriting trace.
This is an aviation internet forum, not Private Detective Monthly. Now grow up.
Scroggs
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
you must see conspiracies and threats to your sanity at every turn!
Now grow up.
You call me paranoid yet go on to confirm that many of the aforementioned posters are one in the same.
I didn't research the post I was simply quoting it.