Twin Engine Piston Pilot

[winch launch]

Originally Posted by WX Man

I'm not quite sure about insurance companies, but I know CAA requirements for AOC holders are, I believe:
700 TT
400 PIC
100 ME
40 IFR ME
+ current IR
+ valid recurrent checks

Sorry but I am not quiet sure what AOC stands for.
Do you mean that to operate a single pilot IFR multi engine aircraft, I need 100 hrs multi?
Is this 700 hrs requirement for public transportation operations only (under OPS-1) or for air taxi too (Under GA rules)?

Thanx

Winch

[Dude~]

winch launch, can you confirm it is 100 hrs multi? I thought it was 100hrs IFR of which 40 must be IFR Multi engine.

Just wondering, still a few hours to get to that stage.

[buzzc152]

You'll find that different companies have been able to negotiate different requirements for their particular operation. Though 400 hrs TT including 40 hrs PIC in multi IFR is quite a common basic requirement. There are some (Scotland Air Charter springs to mind) that require just 700 hrs TT. Also there are plenty of small operations out there not on a AOC and so may not have any min requirements as such (I'm thinking of stuff like flying businessmen around in their private company twin, aerial survey work, ferrying etc)

Duir hits on a good point. It strikes me that in some respects the career route many of us end up following is all backwards, i.e going straight onto the the very demanding single pilot IFR ops where potential for cocks ups is high and then later moving on to airlines. Wouldn't it be more sensible to start off all low hours guys in the nice safe environment of a big jet in an aircraft that won't let you make any big mistakes and having the extra safety net of an experienced captain sitting next to you ?

Good luck

[Fair_Weather_Flyer]

I see what you are saying buzzc152. However, the reason that the 700hrs requirements plus all of the other fiddly bits exist is to prevent very low hour pilots from doing single pilot IFR. They are by no means starter jobs. Hence the reason that these jobs pay more than turboprop FO starter salaries and more than some jet jobs.

[rmcdonal]

700 TT
400 PIC
100 ME
40 IFR ME
+ current IR

That well get you a Single Engine Job in Aus.

[winch launch]

I am 15 hrs of multi IFR short :-(
Can I do the remaining in the US?

winch

[Dude~]

Winch launch:

Can I do the remaining in the US?

Of course you can, no where does it say that any of the hours have to be done in a particular country.

[On speed on profile]

CAA requirements for AOC holders are, I believe:

700 TT
400 PIC
100 ME
40 IFR ME

+ current IR
+ valid recurrent checks

This is a legal requirment, you can not fly public transport IFR without it. Cargo or Pax. There are no exceptions! The last one, I think is 40 M.E. P1. I believe the wording was, "100 IR of which 40 must be ME P1".
You may be able to make some of it up on line training possibly.

Aerial work is not subjected to this requirement.

[EGBKFLYER]

Can anyone post a link to a CAA document where the above requirements are stated?

[D'vay]

I'm back out to riverside in tulsa next week to build some hours before my ir. c-152 is about 40 an hour with no instructor, 172 is i believe about sixty and the duchess (multi, like your looking for) is only 100. as most multi's in this country are about 300 quid per hour you'll save money as you start your 3rd hour (as getting to tulsa is £400). Try calling their british owner on01992577707. If the number is edited out by the moderator, pm me.
winch, those fifteen hours would cost around 1500 in at rvs compared to almost 4500 here!

[Fair_Weather_Flyer]

those fifteen hours would cost around 1500 in at rvs compared to almost 4500 here!

Problem is though, you have to deal with all the TSA hassles and buy tickets and pay for accomodation, get checked out by an instructor (not P1 time) and will they let you solo the aircraft IFR? I doubt it! It's hard to see how anyone who has trained in the UK from the word go can get the required numbers together for single pilot IFR.

[D'vay]

Assuming that you do the 15 hours in two weeks you are looking at 144 pound for riversides own accomodation (based on £11 per night) you can enter the us on the visa waiver as you'll not be undergoing any training (this is only hours building right?) this is merely a flying holiday. Personally i cant see why the school would let you solo the duchess IFR if you pass a check ride and have the neccasary licences?
Best people to talk to on this matter are riverside themselves on the number above or try this link. Remembering that a great majority of thei students are british
http://www.riversideflightcenter.com/
regards
d'vay

[Snoop]

Try non AOC survey companies. They might take a low houred CPL/IR if they were desperate. Money will be crap though. There are plenty of potential candidates out there that would probably work for free in return for multi hours. I was lucky I got paid when we flew, and I had a quite busy season when I first started.

One word of caution. Even though I now have 1100 hours tt of which 400 is multi, I still can't get an interview with anybody. Could be 'cos I am in my mid 30's or that I can't pay for a type rating - not sure which!

Anyway best of luck any more info please pm me.

Snoop

[Send Clowns]

The 100 hours PIC IFR can often be worked around.

Parson

Sorry for the late reply. You might find there is some work like that around. Depends when exactly you are available, and where you are.

[WX Man]

Originally Posted by Snoop

Even though I now have 1100 hours tt of which 400 is multi, I still can't get an interview with anybody. Could be 'cos I am in my mid 30's or that I can't pay for a type rating - not sure which!
Anyway best of luck any more info please pm me.
Snoop

Who have you applied to?

Originally Posted by rmcdonal

Quote:
700 TT
400 PIC
100 ME
40 IFR ME
+ current IR
That well get you a Single Engine Job in Aus.

Ummmm. OK. So what would be the lowest experience that you could expect to get say, a regional turboprop job in Oz? And what would be the cut-off age for getting into one of the major airlines out there?

Getting pretty f*cking sick of this country and thinking about emigrating. NZ and Oz spring to mind.

[Dude~]

Even though I now have 1100 hours tt of which 400 is multi, I still can't get an interview with anybody.

Snoop, when you say 'anybody', do you mean jet operators, turboprop operators, or literally every single company in the Uk?

Just trying to work out why someone with your experience hasn't got a job as I know plenty of people who have moved onto turboprops with less total time and fewer mulit hours than you.