How, and how long, to get that first job?
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Integrated graduates.
Hello all.
Are you a recent graduate from either Oxford or Jerez? If so, what success (or let downs) have you had? Have you been forced to fork out for a type rating? Also, if your trained at Jerez, did you receive any aftercare once you had finished the course. I am asking for this feedback, as I have yet to make a final decision on where to train. I will be visiting both schools. But, I would also like experienced and non biased opinions. Any knowledgeable feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks all.
Carl.
Are you a recent graduate from either Oxford or Jerez? If so, what success (or let downs) have you had? Have you been forced to fork out for a type rating? Also, if your trained at Jerez, did you receive any aftercare once you had finished the course. I am asking for this feedback, as I have yet to make a final decision on where to train. I will be visiting both schools. But, I would also like experienced and non biased opinions. Any knowledgeable feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks all.
Carl.
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Job in 6 months
I finished last year in September. Went back to my original job(3 months unpaid taken to do training). Then out of the blue phone goes, can I come for an interview 2 days later(March 2006) and hey presto after a 45 minute chat, I'm now a F/O flying B737-800's out of LGW for XL. 6 months of CV bashing and annoying phonecalls Definitely lucky break.
Seeing as this has been brought back to the top it would be polite for me to put my two cents in 
Finished an Integrated course in March 05.
One interview in the April which i sadly at the time (things are better with hindsight) didnt get.
A few months over the summer keeping current and enjoying my licence while working out of the industry followed by many cvs
Gained another interview in september, Sim checked in November and started my job flying TP's for a UK company in January
Over the moon to be here, keep bashing those Cvs out and keep current
Finished an Integrated course in March 05.
One interview in the April which i sadly at the time (things are better with hindsight) didnt get.
A few months over the summer keeping current and enjoying my licence while working out of the industry followed by many cvs
Gained another interview in september, Sim checked in November and started my job flying TP's for a UK company in January
Over the moon to be here, keep bashing those Cvs out and keep current
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Modular trained weekends and evenings whilst working to (partially) fund it.
August 2002 - May 2003: PPL
July 2003 - July 2004: ATPL distance learning
August 2004 : hour building in states
September 2004 - May 2005: CPL/IR
July 2005: MCC
Oct 2005 - Jan 2006: CTC ATP selection (including AQC)
Now 737 RHS and loving it. Head down and stay focused. Definitely worth it.
Good luck to all.
August 2002 - May 2003: PPL
July 2003 - July 2004: ATPL distance learning
August 2004 : hour building in states
September 2004 - May 2005: CPL/IR
July 2005: MCC
Oct 2005 - Jan 2006: CTC ATP selection (including AQC)
Now 737 RHS and loving it. Head down and stay focused. Definitely worth it.
Good luck to all.
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Modular trained weekends and evenings whilst working to (partially) fund it.
August 2002 - May 2003: PPL
July 2003 - July 2004: ATPL distance learning
August 2004 : hour building in states
September 2004 - May 2005: CPL/IR
July 2005: MCC
Oct 2005 - Jan 2006: CTC ATP selection (including AQC)
Now 737 RHS and loving it. Head down and stay focused. Definitely worth it.
Good luck to all.
August 2002 - May 2003: PPL
July 2003 - July 2004: ATPL distance learning
August 2004 : hour building in states
September 2004 - May 2005: CPL/IR
July 2005: MCC
Oct 2005 - Jan 2006: CTC ATP selection (including AQC)
Now 737 RHS and loving it. Head down and stay focused. Definitely worth it.
Good luck to all.
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Ah, thanks. Things have slowed down a bit in the last few months. Fairly high on the list but if I don't start till late November I face a rather expensive inconvenience 
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CPl/IR/MCC modular finished April 05.
Interview a month later with regional turboprop operator
Passed Sim check for them in Dec 05
January 06 CTC AQC (same as Golden Monkey!)
Chose to stay with CTC over starting TP type rating in March.
Now have almost finished 6 month training contract on 737.
So after finishing training took a year until starting first job. Loving every minute of it so far!
PW
Interview a month later with regional turboprop operator
Passed Sim check for them in Dec 05
January 06 CTC AQC (same as Golden Monkey!)
Chose to stay with CTC over starting TP type rating in March.
Now have almost finished 6 month training contract on 737.
So after finishing training took a year until starting first job. Loving every minute of it so far!
PW
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Route: Modular
G/school finished Mar 2003 (JAA FATPL)
CPL/IR finished Feb 2004
MCC (A320) Jun 2004
ATPL Ground Instructor from Apr 2003-Dec 2005
Apr 2006 sat & passed Indian DGCA "composite exams"
At present - awaiting finalisation of paperwork & offered 4 jobs in space of 3 weeks on either ATR 42/72 500 - B737NG - A319/20. All private Indian operators, with chance to move onto B777-300ER or A330-300 or A340-300/500 in space of 2 yrs. Looks like command comes in approx 18months - 2 yrs after completion of all line checks - due to current major lack of flight crew.
On a plus side - money is much more than the UK for new FO's approx x1.5 - 2 of UK salaries & quicker time to LHS
Currently deciding who to fly with.
Total Time 515hrs.
Head down, Hard Work & Keep believing - it does happen
Good luck to all
HPC
G/school finished Mar 2003 (JAA FATPL)
CPL/IR finished Feb 2004
MCC (A320) Jun 2004
ATPL Ground Instructor from Apr 2003-Dec 2005
Apr 2006 sat & passed Indian DGCA "composite exams"
At present - awaiting finalisation of paperwork & offered 4 jobs in space of 3 weeks on either ATR 42/72 500 - B737NG - A319/20. All private Indian operators, with chance to move onto B777-300ER or A330-300 or A340-300/500 in space of 2 yrs. Looks like command comes in approx 18months - 2 yrs after completion of all line checks - due to current major lack of flight crew.
On a plus side - money is much more than the UK for new FO's approx x1.5 - 2 of UK salaries & quicker time to LHS
Currently deciding who to fly with.
Total Time 515hrs.
Head down, Hard Work & Keep believing - it does happen
Good luck to all
HPC
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Started Modular training May 2001 - Finished training September 2005. I did everything part time and when holidays allowed.
1st interview May 2006, Started online last month with TP operator.
1st interview May 2006, Started online last month with TP operator.
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Congratulations Dan!!
Hi Dan
James told me that you are starting with FR.Congratulations on passing the assesment.
Good choice mate!
Thinking about going that route myself.
Did you get there by doing the online application?
Did you have a contact there at all?
Regards
Ben
James told me that you are starting with FR.Congratulations on passing the assesment.
Good choice mate!
Thinking about going that route myself.
Did you get there by doing the online application?
Did you have a contact there at all?
Regards
Ben
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Once Qualified, how do you get a job if you're not an integrated graduate?
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I understand that many airlines take their low-hours pilots direct from flight schools who offer the integrated training option...
...which obviously makes life easier for those students who choose this route of training - as they will be in the right place when they qualify with their fATPL.
But, what happens if you qualify via the self improver/DIY route? How do you get that first job? I understand that most airlines receive several hundred applications per month - so the chances of interview are at near lottery-levels.
Any insight into this stage of the game would be most useful - as I cannot see how to best position yourself for a job after several years of training via the more cost-effective and flexible modular route.
Best regards
AB
I understand that many airlines take their low-hours pilots direct from flight schools who offer the integrated training option...
...which obviously makes life easier for those students who choose this route of training - as they will be in the right place when they qualify with their fATPL.
But, what happens if you qualify via the self improver/DIY route? How do you get that first job? I understand that most airlines receive several hundred applications per month - so the chances of interview are at near lottery-levels.
Any insight into this stage of the game would be most useful - as I cannot see how to best position yourself for a job after several years of training via the more cost-effective and flexible modular route.
Best regards
AB
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"I understand that many airlines take their low-hours pilots direct from flight schools who offer the integrated training option"
Who told you this, the integrated course providers? Some airlines do, but the likes of of OAT will have you beleive that this is completely the case and that if you go modular you havent got a chance.
Do not take this as the truth. As far as I know it is only BA who only take intgegrated pilots. There are hundreds of modular guys out there who have got/ are getting jobs as we speak. If it was so difficult to get a job through the modular route then why are there so many schools offering modular training and doing very well out of it?
Go modular, think of the the cash youd save, is having a slightly better chance of getting a job straight after training really worth the extra 30000 quid or so it costs to go integrated?
Who told you this, the integrated course providers? Some airlines do, but the likes of of OAT will have you beleive that this is completely the case and that if you go modular you havent got a chance.
Do not take this as the truth. As far as I know it is only BA who only take intgegrated pilots. There are hundreds of modular guys out there who have got/ are getting jobs as we speak. If it was so difficult to get a job through the modular route then why are there so many schools offering modular training and doing very well out of it?
Go modular, think of the the cash youd save, is having a slightly better chance of getting a job straight after training really worth the extra 30000 quid or so it costs to go integrated?
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What do you guys consider a low hour pilot? either intergrated or modular.... What is the lowest you guys have seen in euorpe?
Here in the states, its at colgan air which hire 18 year olds with 500/100 hours.
Here in the states, its at colgan air which hire 18 year olds with 500/100 hours.
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Instruct or pay for a TR and work for ryan air for a couple of years...
In my opionion (after doing some careful research) following the integrated path will land you into the right hand seat of a shiny jet much more quicker than someone who followed the modular path. Off course their are exceptions but generally speaking this seems to be the case.
+RF
In my opionion (after doing some careful research) following the integrated path will land you into the right hand seat of a shiny jet much more quicker than someone who followed the modular path. Off course their are exceptions but generally speaking this seems to be the case.
+RF
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Just want to agree to the fact that this is a very useful thread, thanks to everyone who has contributed! I am just starting out (ground school now after PPL some time ago) and the fact that jobs can be found (with hard work and determination and some serious networking of course!) makes the road ahead worthwhile.
Thanks again guys!
Thanks again guys!