No Modular Students for Flybe?
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No Modular Students for Flybe
I have a very good contact in Flybe and the rumours are that they will not be recruiting any more modular students. According to the head of the recruiting personnel, they do not consider modular students good enough. So there goes my chance...
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One word - rubbish.
I happen to know of an activity the company is investigating which will disprove that. I'm not saying more, because I'd hate to inadvertently jeopardise it (or look stupid if they decide against in the end!). Let's just say that if it goes ahead, the venture will back-up the veiwpoint communicated at the Flyer show and the Balpa EOC.
Further, as no sponsor said - the latest application form does not separate integrated from modular applicants. If the company was commited to such a change in policy, it would surely have chosen some way of making that distinction at the earliest point in the process, to control recruitment costs.
Lastly, companies very rarely change their spots like this over night and there are generally other outward signs as a result of discussions or PR activity when a policy like this is amended.
Although this is a rumour network, we must all watch what we post here. This sort of baseless speculation just gets everyone upset over what's probably a load of crew room babble.
I happen to know of an activity the company is investigating which will disprove that. I'm not saying more, because I'd hate to inadvertently jeopardise it (or look stupid if they decide against in the end!). Let's just say that if it goes ahead, the venture will back-up the veiwpoint communicated at the Flyer show and the Balpa EOC.
Further, as no sponsor said - the latest application form does not separate integrated from modular applicants. If the company was commited to such a change in policy, it would surely have chosen some way of making that distinction at the earliest point in the process, to control recruitment costs.
Lastly, companies very rarely change their spots like this over night and there are generally other outward signs as a result of discussions or PR activity when a policy like this is amended.
Although this is a rumour network, we must all watch what we post here. This sort of baseless speculation just gets everyone upset over what's probably a load of crew room babble.
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Well said egbkflyer. I am one of the many who waits with baited breath on the flybe recruitment issue. maybe i shoudn't read these threads as they can have a detremental start to my day, however, they can also be of great benefit - the current thread on the application form for instance.
May i wish you all luck, whatever your training course
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Well if it is true guys and girls, I shouldn't worry about it, plenty of other airlines. I did hear they lost about 80 pilots in a 12mth period. Now to me that sounds a lot and I feel that if they keep recruiting children from intergrated courses to fly their planes they will continue to find themselves in the **** with crews. How about they start to recruit the older pilot and I mean 35+ which Im not yet and give flybe some stability in its pilot turn over. Surely all this recruitment must be costing a fecking fortune.
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I don't remember the form asking for modular/integrated either.
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Airpilot -Interesting question on the older pilot.
Don Darbys views on this on simple! It is not based on safety, ability or what type of licence, rather that he got his fingers burnt a while ago with a few older recruits when they switched aircraft! He view on it now - he's not interested! He has tared all people over 30 in the same category! So he just throws the application in the bin regarless of ability.
On the issue of just taking Integrated its an interesting point because I heard a RUMOUR that the CAA are issueing new licences.
Firstly there is the BA mainline licence, you can only apply to this if you are integrated and went to one of 3 - 4 schools and are recommended by the money grabbing school for this licence.
Then there is the Thomsonfly licence, you have to be under 30 to apply.
Then the Jet2 licence, this is easier to apply for, you just had to do an integrated course at Oxford.
Then Astraeus licence anyone can apply for if you have £25,000.
The BMED licence, only apply if recommended by Oxford to apply for this licence.
You can get the new easyjet licence if you are under 34 and have spent loads of dough with CTC
To apply for the First Choice licence you will have to have permission from your family flight crew member
The Ryanair licence is currently oversubscribed till the end of 2006, but anyone with a credit card can apply.
...and now the new FlyBe licence, you will have to be integrated and recommended if you went to OAT or CCAT and under 30.
I understand that they all revert to one standard licence when you get to 1500hours! (so the RUMOUR says!)
Please do not reply because I am only taking the mickey!
Don Darbys views on this on simple! It is not based on safety, ability or what type of licence, rather that he got his fingers burnt a while ago with a few older recruits when they switched aircraft! He view on it now - he's not interested! He has tared all people over 30 in the same category! So he just throws the application in the bin regarless of ability.
On the issue of just taking Integrated its an interesting point because I heard a RUMOUR that the CAA are issueing new licences.
Firstly there is the BA mainline licence, you can only apply to this if you are integrated and went to one of 3 - 4 schools and are recommended by the money grabbing school for this licence.
Then there is the Thomsonfly licence, you have to be under 30 to apply.
Then the Jet2 licence, this is easier to apply for, you just had to do an integrated course at Oxford.
Then Astraeus licence anyone can apply for if you have £25,000.
The BMED licence, only apply if recommended by Oxford to apply for this licence.
You can get the new easyjet licence if you are under 34 and have spent loads of dough with CTC
To apply for the First Choice licence you will have to have permission from your family flight crew member
The Ryanair licence is currently oversubscribed till the end of 2006, but anyone with a credit card can apply.
...and now the new FlyBe licence, you will have to be integrated and recommended if you went to OAT or CCAT and under 30.
I understand that they all revert to one standard licence when you get to 1500hours! (so the RUMOUR says!)
Please do not reply because I am only taking the mickey!
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Sorry I can't take this thread seriously. Why don't we wait and see what the filters on the online application form bring.
Getting a job is stressful enough without this type of bollox making it worse.
Getting a job is stressful enough without this type of bollox making it worse.
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King Da5id, if what you say is true then it would appear that Flybe have got themselves in a bit of a muddle over their recruitment policies. For those who have a copy of ‘Flight Training News’ (Nov/Dec issue) have a quick look at page 4 which gives an overview of the recent BALPA Conference. And I quote:
“Flybe are recruiting and prepared to take low hours FO’s from both modular and integrated courses”
“Flybe was represented by GM Turbo prop Fleet Ian Cheese, who remarked that they were recruiting and were prepared to take low hours FOs from both modular and integrated course…………….”
Explain that!
“Flybe are recruiting and prepared to take low hours FO’s from both modular and integrated courses”
“Flybe was represented by GM Turbo prop Fleet Ian Cheese, who remarked that they were recruiting and were prepared to take low hours FOs from both modular and integrated course…………….”
Explain that!
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What I am saying is that the company policy on this is one thing but their actions are totally contradictory. There is a flybe staff website, similar to this forum and the same item is discussed there. Only people who currently work for Flybe are allowed on to the website (for obvious reasons) and this same topic is discussed there. This is where my contact first read about this issue. And it has angered a lot of flybe pilots as well.
So please do not think I am making this up and I am as pissed off about this as the large majoirty of people are. I am looking for a job as well and was hoping to get Glasgow as a base. Not looking likey now.
And for the record, apparantly there are captains who have been told not to bother recommending there own friends, many of whom they have taught and nurtured over the years because they have taken the modular route.
So please do not think I am making this up and I am as pissed off about this as the large majoirty of people are. I am looking for a job as well and was hoping to get Glasgow as a base. Not looking likey now.
And for the record, apparantly there are captains who have been told not to bother recommending there own friends, many of whom they have taught and nurtured over the years because they have taken the modular route.
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I to was at the flyer exhibition a few weeks ago and The guy from Flybe said that he has block booked one week in every month for the next 4 years for interviewing as they will need 400 pilots over this period, there was no mention that they wouldn't look at Modular students, although as everyone knows they take many Integrated students straight from Oxford / Cranfield but will they be able to get all the pilots they need if they were to stick to this! Just seems crazy to me, but hey I'm a modular student so what do i know!!
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Perhaps I should spell it out in ‘words of less than one syllable’! Flybe is interested in employing low time pilots that have trained through either system if they reach the required standard. The ‘required standard’ is not just the possession of a licence – the skills, qualities and attitude an individual displays will impact his suitability to hold a position as a first officer. I am paraphrasing slightly, but this is my understanding of the flybe position on modular v integrated training.
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How about we wait & see, if the above mailer is correct.(they obviously sound like they know what they are talking about). Perhaps Flybe will make an announcement to squash this rumour, because it is hardly constructive.
If you are modular and have had or have an interview with Flybe then get in touch. Also if over 30 and have/had an interview let us know.
Personally I do not understand the difference between integrated and full time modular students at one of the main schools. Both have demonstrated an ability to undergo intense training. I have come across poor students in both camps and equally outstanding students in both camps. equally part-time modular students who hold down a full time job and look after the family have demonstrated their skills.
Integrated/modular is an old argument but will disappear when this generation of Chief Pilots retire (and when the flight schools stop promoting their own £50k courses) and the new generation that judge people on their own merits take over.
Long live the revolution baby!
If you are modular and have had or have an interview with Flybe then get in touch. Also if over 30 and have/had an interview let us know.
Personally I do not understand the difference between integrated and full time modular students at one of the main schools. Both have demonstrated an ability to undergo intense training. I have come across poor students in both camps and equally outstanding students in both camps. equally part-time modular students who hold down a full time job and look after the family have demonstrated their skills.
Integrated/modular is an old argument but will disappear when this generation of Chief Pilots retire (and when the flight schools stop promoting their own £50k courses) and the new generation that judge people on their own merits take over.
Long live the revolution baby!
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Mr Blue Eyes,
I see the use of the word "modular" as a euphemism for unstructured modular or 'cobbled together' training. If true, then you probably wouldn't see a distinction drawn, as integrated students from Oxford, Cabair or Jerez would probably be no more attractive than "structured modular" students from Oxford and CTC. Capt Cheese's reflection of FlyBe's aparent policy of preferring students who have used the same training provider is probabaly another way of saying they would welcome applications from structured modular students from school's whose name they recognise.
I see the use of the word "modular" as a euphemism for unstructured modular or 'cobbled together' training. If true, then you probably wouldn't see a distinction drawn, as integrated students from Oxford, Cabair or Jerez would probably be no more attractive than "structured modular" students from Oxford and CTC. Capt Cheese's reflection of FlyBe's aparent policy of preferring students who have used the same training provider is probabaly another way of saying they would welcome applications from structured modular students from school's whose name they recognise.