TCX Sponsorship
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Essex, UK
Posts: 240
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hmmm well it is an airline/charter we're dealing with here, I think they would bend the truth a little to gather up a few 200 quids...guess someome's got to pay for the advertisement..poor us...
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 51
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Missing the big picture?
I've read alot of the posts above and followed a few of the links.
I think alot of people are missing another point here, ok the cost of the sponsored course is ~£4k cheaper than the standard course and the chance of a job if all things are still good but there are some down sides too;
- In 2 years time, if the market is good I'll be tied to a single airline and can't apply for any other
- Has anyone mentioned what TC are like to work for T&Cs wise?
Ok, this kind of deal takes some (some) risk out of the self-funding route because it is more likely you will get a seat upon graduating, but you could end up with a type rating on an aircraft that will be beginning to be phased out (remember it will be at least 2009 by then).
So in summary, do I want to tie myself to a single airline at this point in my career and potential find myself limited further down the line, or do I pay for everything myself and potentially have a greater upside but also a greater risk?
Wondered what your thoughts are?
DickD
I think alot of people are missing another point here, ok the cost of the sponsored course is ~£4k cheaper than the standard course and the chance of a job if all things are still good but there are some down sides too;
- In 2 years time, if the market is good I'll be tied to a single airline and can't apply for any other
- Has anyone mentioned what TC are like to work for T&Cs wise?
Ok, this kind of deal takes some (some) risk out of the self-funding route because it is more likely you will get a seat upon graduating, but you could end up with a type rating on an aircraft that will be beginning to be phased out (remember it will be at least 2009 by then).
So in summary, do I want to tie myself to a single airline at this point in my career and potential find myself limited further down the line, or do I pay for everything myself and potentially have a greater upside but also a greater risk?
Wondered what your thoughts are?
DickD
Last edited by DickDastardly; 6th Aug 2005 at 12:54.
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 132
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I very much disagree with the comment you made about the rating!
A 757 rating is a very good rating to have, it may not be the most modern plane, but i can assure you it will be around for the next while.
Also its a heavy aircraft, so it would be ideal if you wanted to progress to longhaul aircraft (747 etc)
And not to mention, its power to weight ratio is unrivaled by any other, so it would be some fun to fly. its certainly an aircraft i'd like to have some time on before it eventually bites the dust.
A 757 rating is a very good rating to have, it may not be the most modern plane, but i can assure you it will be around for the next while.
Also its a heavy aircraft, so it would be ideal if you wanted to progress to longhaul aircraft (747 etc)
And not to mention, its power to weight ratio is unrivaled by any other, so it would be some fun to fly. its certainly an aircraft i'd like to have some time on before it eventually bites the dust.
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 51
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Randomair
Please don't think I am being derogatory to the 757 or those who fly it. If I could be a TR'ed FO tomorrow I'd snap at the chance.
But being someone just about to start a career, I wont reach the line until 2007, and it won't be 2009 before I reach 1500hrs to even think about switching to another type.
DD
Please don't think I am being derogatory to the 757 or those who fly it. If I could be a TR'ed FO tomorrow I'd snap at the chance.
But being someone just about to start a career, I wont reach the line until 2007, and it won't be 2009 before I reach 1500hrs to even think about switching to another type.
DD
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,608
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Quote from Mike Griffith on the Oxford Forums...
"There are people wondering why this scheme is better than standard APP since it involves more debt. It is better because there is a job gaurantee and because the airline helps repay the loan on some very favorable terms."
Regarding this quote that someone posted earlier, since when has a conditional job offer been a guarantee? Not exactly the same thing are they.
I rather tend to agree with many comments here that it is not a sponsorship and - to be fair - not worth much more than the type rating which many airlines will pay for.
Furthermore if the market declines again, it is hardly a guarantee to provide employment.
If only Mike's words were binding...
"There are people wondering why this scheme is better than standard APP since it involves more debt. It is better because there is a job gaurantee and because the airline helps repay the loan on some very favorable terms."
Regarding this quote that someone posted earlier, since when has a conditional job offer been a guarantee? Not exactly the same thing are they.
I rather tend to agree with many comments here that it is not a sponsorship and - to be fair - not worth much more than the type rating which many airlines will pay for.
Furthermore if the market declines again, it is hardly a guarantee to provide employment.
If only Mike's words were binding...
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 92
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
And then you back out in the cold competing with all the fresh faces to get type rated on a shiney new A350 or 787.
!Cheers.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: in the hills
Age: 68
Posts: 358
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
DickDastardly,
Tier two airline? Maybe mate, but with your attitude, we wouldn't want you anyhow.
I joined TC from OATS 5 years ago. I earn nearly £50k a year and am based at my local base where I grew up. I flew the (too old for dick ?) Boeing and now fly an A320.
Oh, I may fly the A330 soon too.
Additionally, I can work 6 months of the year only in Summer if I wish and still get paid 80% salary all year round.
Oh, also things are starting to move rapidly now in TC. Who knows what fleet we will have by the time DickDastardly joins us in two years? I just hope it's one that he likes. After all, it will be easy for him to get a better job anyhow if we are not good enough for him....
Terms and Conditions:
£30k to £100k from FO to Captain.
Extra for trainers.
Cheap holidays, as many standby tickets as you want.
A good pension.
Loss of licence insurance.
Permanent Health Insurance.
6 weeks leave.
No direct entry Captains.
BALPA recognition.
Paid uniform.
Car Parking.
Meals on duty.
Duty pay.
etc etc
Hope this helps.
Dick, I can't wait for you to join BA or Virgin immediately. A man of your calibre obviously deserves no less.
Tier two airline? Maybe mate, but with your attitude, we wouldn't want you anyhow.
I joined TC from OATS 5 years ago. I earn nearly £50k a year and am based at my local base where I grew up. I flew the (too old for dick ?) Boeing and now fly an A320.
Oh, I may fly the A330 soon too.
Additionally, I can work 6 months of the year only in Summer if I wish and still get paid 80% salary all year round.
Oh, also things are starting to move rapidly now in TC. Who knows what fleet we will have by the time DickDastardly joins us in two years? I just hope it's one that he likes. After all, it will be easy for him to get a better job anyhow if we are not good enough for him....
Terms and Conditions:
£30k to £100k from FO to Captain.
Extra for trainers.
Cheap holidays, as many standby tickets as you want.
A good pension.
Loss of licence insurance.
Permanent Health Insurance.
6 weeks leave.
No direct entry Captains.
BALPA recognition.
Paid uniform.
Car Parking.
Meals on duty.
Duty pay.
etc etc
Hope this helps.
Dick, I can't wait for you to join BA or Virgin immediately. A man of your calibre obviously deserves no less.
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 51
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wheelbarrow,
You seem to confuse my objective comments as a personal attack on your career. They were general comments and I was looking for open feedback so I genuinely welcome your positive comments regarding your employer and I thank you for taking the time to respond.
Please don't feel that Tier 2 is a damming term, I borrowed it only as a way to distinguish between flag carriers / famous brands and those who are less so. It in no way implies that TC are Tier 2 employers.
I've searched these boards and not found anyone moaning about TC. The only comment was from someone saying it could take 8/10 years to get a command. If that is true, then people obviously don't want to leave, and that speaks volumes itself.
Should I assume from your own experience that TC are moving towards the A320/A330 in the longer term?
Anybody else want to flame-mail me???
Thanks, DD
You seem to confuse my objective comments as a personal attack on your career. They were general comments and I was looking for open feedback so I genuinely welcome your positive comments regarding your employer and I thank you for taking the time to respond.
Please don't feel that Tier 2 is a damming term, I borrowed it only as a way to distinguish between flag carriers / famous brands and those who are less so. It in no way implies that TC are Tier 2 employers.
I've searched these boards and not found anyone moaning about TC. The only comment was from someone saying it could take 8/10 years to get a command. If that is true, then people obviously don't want to leave, and that speaks volumes itself.
Should I assume from your own experience that TC are moving towards the A320/A330 in the longer term?
Anybody else want to flame-mail me???
Thanks, DD
Last edited by DickDastardly; 4th Aug 2005 at 11:49.
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: A place where something is or could be located; a site.
Posts: 455
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wheelbarrow, c'mon mate. Be cool like the Fonz. 
I can't for the life of me work out why you're on this forum. But, since you are, why are you getting your knickers in a twist? After all, you're on the flight deck and earning big bucks. Why not laugh instead?
If you read DD's posts properly, they ask a few questions which are quite legitamate to ask. The shelf life of the 757 TR. The T&C of TCX. The benefits of the training scheme. All put forward in an fair and objective context.
I personally would wet myself if I got TR on the 757 for TCX. So would he by his own admission.
He was just asking questions and making his point. Thats what forums are for.
Leave the attitude on the flight deck!
EK
I can't for the life of me work out why you're on this forum. But, since you are, why are you getting your knickers in a twist? After all, you're on the flight deck and earning big bucks. Why not laugh instead?
If you read DD's posts properly, they ask a few questions which are quite legitamate to ask. The shelf life of the 757 TR. The T&C of TCX. The benefits of the training scheme. All put forward in an fair and objective context.
I personally would wet myself if I got TR on the 757 for TCX. So would he by his own admission.
He was just asking questions and making his point. Thats what forums are for.
Leave the attitude on the flight deck!
EK
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: uk
Posts: 524
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"I joined TC from OATS 5 years ago. I earn nearly £50k a year and am based at my local base where I grew up. I flew the (too old for dick ?) Boeing and now fly an A320."
Ex-oxford, straight onto jets, a great wage at a local base and has flown both boeing and airbus. I wish I was a wheelbarrow.
Ex-oxford, straight onto jets, a great wage at a local base and has flown both boeing and airbus. I wish I was a wheelbarrow.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: in the hills
Age: 68
Posts: 358
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hmmm,
Fair do's maybe I was harsh, but the point is , that in an industry that has been pretty crappy in the last few years.... TC are one of the first to actually guarantee you a job at the end of training.
It ain't their style to promise the earth and then let you down.
No redundancies etc post 9/11 shows that.... if you get on the course, I would take it Dick, with both hands and I would be prepared to fly a Sopwith Camel if they made you !
As for A320/330..... I have no idea. And that'sthe point...... things change very quickly...... you could well be flying a 787 for all I know with 200 hours.
Fair do's maybe I was harsh, but the point is , that in an industry that has been pretty crappy in the last few years.... TC are one of the first to actually guarantee you a job at the end of training.
It ain't their style to promise the earth and then let you down.
No redundancies etc post 9/11 shows that.... if you get on the course, I would take it Dick, with both hands and I would be prepared to fly a Sopwith Camel if they made you !
As for A320/330..... I have no idea. And that'sthe point...... things change very quickly...... you could well be flying a 787 for all I know with 200 hours.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dubai / UAE
Posts: 63
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wow, this is a great thread. Just wanted to add my wee pennies worth here. I am, for my sins, on the CTC Sponsored course, and two groups of cadets have already gone to TCX, and there MAY be another group being trained up soon (so the company propaganda goes...), so I am really worried to hear that CTC is being outdone (and so early in their company's life) by OATs.
There were, I can confirm, a few issues with the CTC candidates who have gone to TCX - but it was not concerning the callibre or abilities of the cadets - it was unfortunate delays to their training schedule. TCX were just short for a while without the CTC groups getting to them on time.
That has all been taken care of tho.
I would ask Wheelbarrow to just confirm, if possible, that TCX has turned its back on CTC and is going to OATs now? That would be a real shame for us guys slaving away to get through CTC's program, as it is extremely demanding and tkaes up every drop of energy and drive!
CTC do have a large number of airlines interested in their cadets, but TCX going elsewhere would be a real blow. Perhaps TCX is taking cadets from CTC and OATs? Any confirmation or comments would be good guys and gals!
Thanks!
SJ
There were, I can confirm, a few issues with the CTC candidates who have gone to TCX - but it was not concerning the callibre or abilities of the cadets - it was unfortunate delays to their training schedule. TCX were just short for a while without the CTC groups getting to them on time.
That has all been taken care of tho.
I would ask Wheelbarrow to just confirm, if possible, that TCX has turned its back on CTC and is going to OATs now? That would be a real shame for us guys slaving away to get through CTC's program, as it is extremely demanding and tkaes up every drop of energy and drive!
CTC do have a large number of airlines interested in their cadets, but TCX going elsewhere would be a real blow. Perhaps TCX is taking cadets from CTC and OATs? Any confirmation or comments would be good guys and gals!
Thanks!
SJ
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Surrey
Age: 43
Posts: 900
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I mentioned the OAT TCX sponsorship to CTC in my stage 3 last week and they said that TCX has not left CTC, they are just getting some cadets from a different route. Take from this what you will.
Lets face it, the CTC is better then the OAT scheme by a long way, if just for the extra training you recieve at CTC. Maybe this just shows how good the market is becoming with airlines needing more and more pilots?
Lets face it, the CTC is better then the OAT scheme by a long way, if just for the extra training you recieve at CTC. Maybe this just shows how good the market is becoming with airlines needing more and more pilots?
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Before you all get too wound up in your own marketing bu**sh**t belief that you are better than god itself, all because you come from CTC, be humbled to know that in last years recruitment drive for TCX that 2 Cabair students were taken on and only one oxford student. Go figure. It does not matter where you study and once you step into the real world you will realise that no one cares where you trained.
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: UK
Age: 47
Posts: 169
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
For the last 2 years, since Thomas Cook recruitment restarted after a several year lull post 9/11 they have recruited from a range of sources in relatively equal measure - ex-military, CTC, self-improvers who worked in Ops and the large integrated schools. Variety is the spice of life afterall...
As far as CTC are concerned. CP1 joined in April 2004, CP8 joined towards the beginning of this year and CP18 are currently finishing off their training with CTC.
As far as CTC are concerned. CP1 joined in April 2004, CP8 joined towards the beginning of this year and CP18 are currently finishing off their training with CTC.
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Manchester
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
joe,
Sorry I was referring to last year's recruitment equating to this year's intake of new guys, maybe you were talking about new pilots who joined the airline last year.
Unless I was 'where' exactly do you mean?
Sorry I was referring to last year's recruitment equating to this year's intake of new guys, maybe you were talking about new pilots who joined the airline last year.
Unless I was 'where' exactly do you mean?
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I thought that the deadline for this scheme was Sunday 7th August, that's what it says on the details page, so why has it yet not closed? Has anyone received any news on their applications?
Thanks.
Thanks.