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Despite the uninformed banter on this thread, military aviation is alive and well and recruiting now - in all three services. For those who are interested, and who qualify by age (as Pielander says, the Navy's age limit is being reduced to match the RAF's), a flying career in the British armed forces is extremely rewarding and will challenge you in ways that no other career can. However, as someone said earlier, a military career is a way of life - a vocation, if you like - and is not to be taken on without a lot of thought.
Obviously, the risk of death is very real. The fact that you might die is hard enough to deal with, but are you prepared to die for a government you disagree with, in a campaign you don't understand, in a place you don't want to be, all in the furtherence of an intangible creed encapsulated as 'democracy and the British way of life'? That's quite a hard question to answer, if you take it seriously. Of course, if your immediate answer is 'no', then don't bother applying - but if it is, or might be, 'yes', then you would be well advised to investigate further.
I spent 22 years flying in the RAF and have never regretted any of it. I have had flying, and life, experiences which would have been impossible to get in civilian life. I have no need to do that stuff any more, but I highly recommend it to those who want a little extra meaning in their lives.
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Obviously, the risk of death is very real. The fact that you might die is hard enough to deal with, but are you prepared to die for a government you disagree with, in a campaign you don't understand, in a place you don't want to be, all in the furtherence of an intangible creed encapsulated as 'democracy and the British way of life'? That's quite a hard question to answer, if you take it seriously. Of course, if your immediate answer is 'no', then don't bother applying - but if it is, or might be, 'yes', then you would be well advised to investigate further.
I spent 22 years flying in the RAF and have never regretted any of it. I have had flying, and life, experiences which would have been impossible to get in civilian life. I have no need to do that stuff any more, but I highly recommend it to those who want a little extra meaning in their lives.
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Sorry for biting.
As a Mil chap training for Civ street, firstly I have to concur with Scroggs about Mil life. There does come a time when one wants different things though. However, you'll keep the friend and experiences forever.
Anyway to the point of my thread – don’t normally do this but…..
Mr Pink.
Sorry to hear about your experiences. I would sympathise but your thread is so littered with factual inaccuracies that it makes it impossible to believe.
If I am wrong, and I don’t think I am, I will apologise, withdraw my post and send you a beer in the post. If I’m right though, please pull the thread as it puts the Mil in an unfair bad light.
Loyal to my last day!!!!!!!
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Mosspigs
As a Mil chap training for Civ street, firstly I have to concur with Scroggs about Mil life. There does come a time when one wants different things though. However, you'll keep the friend and experiences forever.
Anyway to the point of my thread – don’t normally do this but…..
Mr Pink.
Sorry to hear about your experiences. I would sympathise but your thread is so littered with factual inaccuracies that it makes it impossible to believe.
If I am wrong, and I don’t think I am, I will apologise, withdraw my post and send you a beer in the post. If I’m right though, please pull the thread as it puts the Mil in an unfair bad light.
Loyal to my last day!!!!!!!
PM me if you want me to highlight further.
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PIelander
I don't have a handbag. If i want to sh@t in one I will ask to borow one of yours as you see to have thrown one of them out of your pram.
I was waiting to be proved wrong about me calling your comments 'immature/shallow'. But you start the thread to me with another insult. I rest my case.
I read the posts to see what the general oipinion is out there and i recognised one or two of the names on the thread. Sorry if you thought i was looking through your school bag.
I am sure that those of us who use pprune would like to know that in your mind we have a 10:1 ratio of offensive/uninformed bullsh@t. What is your aviation experience and how long have you been flying. As many people on pprune are experienced pilots with many years in the industry.
And is there any need to swear to make a point. Immature again.
I would like to fly fly with vlad, he seems a funny guy.
One of your postings was on the agony aunt section, advising a teenager on his lovelife. Maybe that is more your area of expertise.
Please do not feel the need to reply to this, I am not visting your thread again.
So you will get no more attention. I can think of no greater torment for you.
I was waiting to be proved wrong about me calling your comments 'immature/shallow'. But you start the thread to me with another insult. I rest my case.
I read the posts to see what the general oipinion is out there and i recognised one or two of the names on the thread. Sorry if you thought i was looking through your school bag.
I am sure that those of us who use pprune would like to know that in your mind we have a 10:1 ratio of offensive/uninformed bullsh@t. What is your aviation experience and how long have you been flying. As many people on pprune are experienced pilots with many years in the industry.
And is there any need to swear to make a point. Immature again.
I would like to fly fly with vlad, he seems a funny guy.
One of your postings was on the agony aunt section, advising a teenager on his lovelife. Maybe that is more your area of expertise.
Please do not feel the need to reply to this, I am not visting your thread again.
So you will get no more attention. I can think of no greater torment for you.
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Mosspigs
Obviously ur an ex military chap who knows it all. I'll ask the question we all want to ask, 'Why is my thread full of factual inaccuracies that it makes it impossible to believe'????
I have all my UAS flight reports, and Cranwell debrief to show you if you like, maybe we could meet somewhere to discuss!!!!
Tell me this, why are you training for civ street, don't make the grade, too scrared to fight, or really want to get a life!
You give the military (mil) a bad name, maybe they should spend some money recruiting loyal officers who really want to do the job!
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P.s. Get your beer ready, I drink stella! Address to follow.
Obviously ur an ex military chap who knows it all. I'll ask the question we all want to ask, 'Why is my thread full of factual inaccuracies that it makes it impossible to believe'????
I have all my UAS flight reports, and Cranwell debrief to show you if you like, maybe we could meet somewhere to discuss!!!!
Tell me this, why are you training for civ street, don't make the grade, too scrared to fight, or really want to get a life!
You give the military (mil) a bad name, maybe they should spend some money recruiting loyal officers who really want to do the job!
Highlight me further.
P.s. Get your beer ready, I drink stella! Address to follow.
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Dear Mr Pink,
Thank you for your reply, which I have to say is perhaps the most offensive I have seen on PPrune.
Allow me to answer your questions which you may wish to cross check against my thread.
My thread states that I am presently mil, not ex, I don’t know it all, but am working in the training environment. My thread also states that I have chosen to leave the mil due to perhaps the latter reason you gave albeit rather agriculturally. It does however come after 12 years service, early promotion, several op tours and numerous good friends being killed. I am not scared to fight and think such a libellous comment may want to be removed. Furthermore, I would say that recruiting loyal Officers is not the problem, as we are all loyal when we join. As one grows up however, one wants stability for ones family. Hardly a crime and considering you have a child and made mention (in another thread) to not seeing her if at a front line squadron, you may agree!
Onto your questions:
On the face of your thread there doesn’t seem too much wrong with it and if the error comes from terminology, then I see the errors of your English. However, as a UAS student, being let loose with the controls of a Hawk is perhaps a little bit of an exaggeration. You may have had the pleasure of some QFI non graded glorified pleasure flights but that is about as far as it goes.
Secondly potential RAF direct entry pilots attend EFT post Initial Officer Training at Cranwell, which comes after successful Officer Aircrew Selection. It seems strange to me that the RAF would spend 67 hours of EFT on someone who wasn’t even checked out as having the gumption to be an Officer. Thirdly, if you had completed UAS, you would not qualify for EFT as a direct entrant as the RAF opted out of EFT many moons ago. Presently, and I am guessing from your age and the dates mentioned in your thread that you would still fall into the present system; you would go straight to Linton to commence Basic Fast Jet Training after IOT. Fourthly, OASC scores are valid for 5 years. Therefore you should not have had to take them again.
So unless you are a non grad who went through the UNIVERSITY air squadron and you said sponsorship, not scholarship and then did EFT as a civilian and then failed the test that you had passed previously, then I can’t figure out how you can be son of Tom Cruise.
Lastly, ask yourself this question. If two of the three services turned you down (one didn’t even want to know you), for lacking the required metal to be an Officer, what right do you think you have to question the moral courage, integrity and loyalty of someone who was selected and successfully completed what you could not?
Kind Regards
Mosspigs
p.s. should you wish to rubbish me further, may I ask that you PM me.
Thank you for your reply, which I have to say is perhaps the most offensive I have seen on PPrune.
Allow me to answer your questions which you may wish to cross check against my thread.
My thread states that I am presently mil, not ex, I don’t know it all, but am working in the training environment. My thread also states that I have chosen to leave the mil due to perhaps the latter reason you gave albeit rather agriculturally. It does however come after 12 years service, early promotion, several op tours and numerous good friends being killed. I am not scared to fight and think such a libellous comment may want to be removed. Furthermore, I would say that recruiting loyal Officers is not the problem, as we are all loyal when we join. As one grows up however, one wants stability for ones family. Hardly a crime and considering you have a child and made mention (in another thread) to not seeing her if at a front line squadron, you may agree!
Onto your questions:
On the face of your thread there doesn’t seem too much wrong with it and if the error comes from terminology, then I see the errors of your English. However, as a UAS student, being let loose with the controls of a Hawk is perhaps a little bit of an exaggeration. You may have had the pleasure of some QFI non graded glorified pleasure flights but that is about as far as it goes.
Secondly potential RAF direct entry pilots attend EFT post Initial Officer Training at Cranwell, which comes after successful Officer Aircrew Selection. It seems strange to me that the RAF would spend 67 hours of EFT on someone who wasn’t even checked out as having the gumption to be an Officer. Thirdly, if you had completed UAS, you would not qualify for EFT as a direct entrant as the RAF opted out of EFT many moons ago. Presently, and I am guessing from your age and the dates mentioned in your thread that you would still fall into the present system; you would go straight to Linton to commence Basic Fast Jet Training after IOT. Fourthly, OASC scores are valid for 5 years. Therefore you should not have had to take them again.
So unless you are a non grad who went through the UNIVERSITY air squadron and you said sponsorship, not scholarship and then did EFT as a civilian and then failed the test that you had passed previously, then I can’t figure out how you can be son of Tom Cruise.
Lastly, ask yourself this question. If two of the three services turned you down (one didn’t even want to know you), for lacking the required metal to be an Officer, what right do you think you have to question the moral courage, integrity and loyalty of someone who was selected and successfully completed what you could not?
Kind Regards
Mosspigs
p.s. should you wish to rubbish me further, may I ask that you PM me.
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I really don't understand why a perfectly reasonable thread has had to descend into bad tempered name-calling and insult. I have no time for those whose preconceptions and intolerance make them feel they have the right to disrespect others whose experiences are different to their own.
Mr Pink, you are right out of order. Develop a better attitude, or leave the Wannabes fora.
Pielander control your sarcasm. Indiscriminate use of a sneering style encourages those who love nothing more than a flame war.
jamestkirk this forum is for all Wannabes, not just those who belong to the group you particularly espouse.
vlad and Iscajp this forum is not Mil Aircrew or Jet Blast; the banter threshold is much lower here. Don't encourage those who can't tell the difference between banter and insult; it always end in tears.
Mosspigs thanks for your forbearance.
And now I think this thread has seen enough of the light of day...
Scroggs
Mr Pink, you are right out of order. Develop a better attitude, or leave the Wannabes fora.
Pielander control your sarcasm. Indiscriminate use of a sneering style encourages those who love nothing more than a flame war.
jamestkirk this forum is for all Wannabes, not just those who belong to the group you particularly espouse.
vlad and Iscajp this forum is not Mil Aircrew or Jet Blast; the banter threshold is much lower here. Don't encourage those who can't tell the difference between banter and insult; it always end in tears.
Mosspigs thanks for your forbearance.
And now I think this thread has seen enough of the light of day...
Scroggs
