How many been to interview with app 250hrs??
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I thank You all for the interest in this thread, and I would like to update and answer some of the replay's.
Puritan
I think what You wrote is all correct and that who you know is a very important part of getting that first break.
This is true in all careers I believe and is also why someone with low experience could find a job before someone more experienced.
Unfortunately there is a lot of young pilots not getting the opportunity that they are looking for.
Maybe we all aim to high?
Maybe we believe that “eventually it will happen, just if I stay current”?
And to everyone that put a line here I would like to add to my point that I have “only” sent about 50 CV’s but they are aimed at specific airlines, taxi and business companies that I feel would be in my best interest and also fit my character best.
This has given me about 4 possible ways to go further in the future, fly King Air C90 with a newly started airtaxi business, pay for typerating and fly MD-80 with linetraining for 6 month, typerating and possible ATR 42 linetraining and a possible Ryanair bond-training through my FTO. All these with salary.
The only thing is that Ryan is not hiring Swedes at the moment due to various reasons. I am still recommended by my FTO to proceed with a Ryanair service.
The about 50 CV I have put on the market is high quality.
With this I mean good contact and well maintained contact and follow-up register.
I also put in about 2-4 hrs every day to look for new contacts and news regarding my “target” airlines, taxi and business companies. Also trying to add interesting contacts.
What I meant with this thread was more to see what other pilots have experienced and what their expectations of the future is.
I also agree with RED WINGS, that going through the backdoor is a very good suggestion, this I have tried and also got better and better contacts and ideas on how to go on with this.
To work in the operations is a very good way to "mature" in the pilot suit... I believe..
I will not surrender to the painted "darkness" of the market.
I am determined to find my way through and develop and mature as a pilot and future commander.
I could also say that the thread was put when I couldn’t find any new ideas to go further in my "hunt" for the first break.
I am sorry that this looked like a negative thread.. I do see that now
I would like to say to all future pilot that, and current, DO NOT GIVE UP! Every pilot have had 250hrs at some point, some were lucky, some gave up, but many got their first job and is today proud pilots wherever they may work.
Do not let my bad day ruin your energy.. sorry
Puritan
I think what You wrote is all correct and that who you know is a very important part of getting that first break.
This is true in all careers I believe and is also why someone with low experience could find a job before someone more experienced.
Unfortunately there is a lot of young pilots not getting the opportunity that they are looking for.
Maybe we all aim to high?
Maybe we believe that “eventually it will happen, just if I stay current”?
And to everyone that put a line here I would like to add to my point that I have “only” sent about 50 CV’s but they are aimed at specific airlines, taxi and business companies that I feel would be in my best interest and also fit my character best.
This has given me about 4 possible ways to go further in the future, fly King Air C90 with a newly started airtaxi business, pay for typerating and fly MD-80 with linetraining for 6 month, typerating and possible ATR 42 linetraining and a possible Ryanair bond-training through my FTO. All these with salary.
The only thing is that Ryan is not hiring Swedes at the moment due to various reasons. I am still recommended by my FTO to proceed with a Ryanair service.
This is not meant as a dig, but if 'applying' to 50 outfits via an application/CV is all you have done, then you are not doing enough to get the 'luck' element. I am not saying that you won't get a phone call tomorrow from some recruitment department inviting you to interview, but there are hundreds of Wannabes who will testify to having done much more than this and they still haven't got the break.
With this I mean good contact and well maintained contact and follow-up register.
I also put in about 2-4 hrs every day to look for new contacts and news regarding my “target” airlines, taxi and business companies. Also trying to add interesting contacts.
What I meant with this thread was more to see what other pilots have experienced and what their expectations of the future is.
I also agree with RED WINGS, that going through the backdoor is a very good suggestion, this I have tried and also got better and better contacts and ideas on how to go on with this.
To work in the operations is a very good way to "mature" in the pilot suit... I believe..
I will not surrender to the painted "darkness" of the market.
I am determined to find my way through and develop and mature as a pilot and future commander.
I could also say that the thread was put when I couldn’t find any new ideas to go further in my "hunt" for the first break.
I am sorry that this looked like a negative thread.. I do see that now
I would like to say to all future pilot that, and current, DO NOT GIVE UP! Every pilot have had 250hrs at some point, some were lucky, some gave up, but many got their first job and is today proud pilots wherever they may work.
Do not let my bad day ruin your energy.. sorry
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Hi
There are lots of discussions about age on various posts and most of them are about being too old to get a jet job.
What I would like to know is what about the opposite situation where you may be viewed as too young?
I will be just over 20yrs old when I finish my training which is about a year away, what are your views on whether I may be too young?
I know its very much down to the individual but what do you think?
Cheers!
There are lots of discussions about age on various posts and most of them are about being too old to get a jet job.
What I would like to know is what about the opposite situation where you may be viewed as too young?
I will be just over 20yrs old when I finish my training which is about a year away, what are your views on whether I may be too young?
I know its very much down to the individual but what do you think?
Cheers!
37 yrs old, 430 hrs, interview (and sim) with one airline last week and interview with different airline next week. There's a rumble.....
No type rating just persistence and developing relationships with the companies concerned. I have been applying for nearly 7 months now but it's all starting to happen. I believe I'm on a shortlist for a third job as well!
I don't think there's a definitive answer because everyone will find their own route to a job. I've had tremendous support from friends in the industry who have put the word about on my behalf. More importantly, when I felt like giving up this summer, they assured me that the job market was picking up which I knew objectively but it didn't feel that way.
If I can get interviews then it should be easily be possible for everyone else. Patience and persistence are the key.
I am a very happy man today.
I don't think there's a definitive answer because everyone will find their own route to a job. I've had tremendous support from friends in the industry who have put the word about on my behalf. More importantly, when I felt like giving up this summer, they assured me that the job market was picking up which I knew objectively but it didn't feel that way.
If I can get interviews then it should be easily be possible for everyone else. Patience and persistence are the key.
I am a very happy man today.
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HP seem to be approaching his job search in a pragmatic and positive way. I think there's alot to be said for not thinking one size fits all. Hope you land a job, let us know.
Tufve, I can't comment having only just enter the job market myself, but I do know several guy who have secured jobs recently. First bunch all had in excess of 1000 hour, worked as instructors for several years and all went to turbo operators. The others have gone straight on to jets; they had taxi experience, perhaps up to 1000TT, I couldn't be sure. Some got interviews through contacts, others just applied. Their ages ranged from mid 20's to mid 30's some had established professional career prior to fly others didn't.
Sorry not much help I don't know anyone who has got in with 250hrs, I'm sure it happens but hours/ experience seem to improve your chances. Unfortunate really as only have 270!
Good hunting!
Merlin.
Tufve, I can't comment having only just enter the job market myself, but I do know several guy who have secured jobs recently. First bunch all had in excess of 1000 hour, worked as instructors for several years and all went to turbo operators. The others have gone straight on to jets; they had taxi experience, perhaps up to 1000TT, I couldn't be sure. Some got interviews through contacts, others just applied. Their ages ranged from mid 20's to mid 30's some had established professional career prior to fly others didn't.
Sorry not much help I don't know anyone who has got in with 250hrs, I'm sure it happens but hours/ experience seem to improve your chances. Unfortunate really as only have 270!
Good hunting!
Merlin.
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Merlin, keep going, I have 240 hours, got made redundant from my first flying job when the company ran out of money, and am currently in two hold pools, so there is hope (oh yes, and on the wrong side of 40 too)
Many good points raised already on this thread, but thought I would add my bit for the record.
HPs approach to getting that break is spot on, as promoted by many people before, i.e. do your research, target who you want to work for ideally rather than blanket the market, NETWORK, try and build specific relationships within your preferred companies so that your contacts can sell you too, and don't give up.
Also would add to this - try and keep both your skills and your knowledge as up to date as possible so that interview and sim prep is not a last minute panic.
These things are not easy, and there are several companies that I would love to work for that I have not got anywhere with, along side ones where I have, but stay positive (at least in public) and focused.
oap
Many good points raised already on this thread, but thought I would add my bit for the record.
HPs approach to getting that break is spot on, as promoted by many people before, i.e. do your research, target who you want to work for ideally rather than blanket the market, NETWORK, try and build specific relationships within your preferred companies so that your contacts can sell you too, and don't give up.
Also would add to this - try and keep both your skills and your knowledge as up to date as possible so that interview and sim prep is not a last minute panic.
These things are not easy, and there are several companies that I would love to work for that I have not got anywhere with, along side ones where I have, but stay positive (at least in public) and focused.
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what I have done, I worked my ass for years to get my hours. FI, skydiver's pilots, ....
and noone is interested by my CV. after months of research I have been unable to get an interview.
I have contacted my friends, who have all between 1000-2500h of flight time . Some are ex- cargo pilot, ex-flight instructors, they do not find any job. I have friends who actually fly for airlines(2% of my friends have found a job after 10 years), they can not get a job for me, and are deeply sorry about my position, and they are worried to loose their own job.
what is the point to spend so much money in this JAR training, when there is no job.if you have around 250h, good luck!your chance are very slim, close of 0.1% to get a job as a pilot.
look at own many students want become an airline pilot and are ready to fork a fortune for a return evaluated at 10% of your income. Aviaition is a ripp off, if you consider to become a professional pilot, I would suggest to do another job!
I am not happy at all about my position and about our futur!
good luck to all of us.
and please, do not believe people telling they got a job with 200h, these people come from schools trying to give you some fake hopes!personaly, I do not know one pilot who got a job with 250hours.
I can easily say:" hey guys, I fly a falcon jet and I have only 300hours"...that is Bullock!
and noone is interested by my CV. after months of research I have been unable to get an interview.
I have contacted my friends, who have all between 1000-2500h of flight time . Some are ex- cargo pilot, ex-flight instructors, they do not find any job. I have friends who actually fly for airlines(2% of my friends have found a job after 10 years), they can not get a job for me, and are deeply sorry about my position, and they are worried to loose their own job.
what is the point to spend so much money in this JAR training, when there is no job.if you have around 250h, good luck!your chance are very slim, close of 0.1% to get a job as a pilot.
look at own many students want become an airline pilot and are ready to fork a fortune for a return evaluated at 10% of your income. Aviaition is a ripp off, if you consider to become a professional pilot, I would suggest to do another job!
I am not happy at all about my position and about our futur!
good luck to all of us.
and please, do not believe people telling they got a job with 200h, these people come from schools trying to give you some fake hopes!personaly, I do not know one pilot who got a job with 250hours.
I can easily say:" hey guys, I fly a falcon jet and I have only 300hours"...that is Bullock!
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We all have a view of this industry tainted by our own position, be that one of success or one of 'still trying'. I feel genuinely sorry for all those guys out there who are having a hard time getting employment, but your comments are quite frankly way off the mark. Just because you don't know many people who have got jobs with 250hrs, or 1000hrs piston, or any other combination of 'non-airline' experience doesn't mean that everyone claiming to have got a job is a liar from a training school trying to drum up business!
I have met a broad range of Wannabes over the last 2 years, ranging from 250hrs all the way through to captains of large jet transports with a whole career behind them. I will say it again, that I have personal experience of pilots who have gained employment over the last 12 months in a large number of UK airlines and several from abroad too. Proportionately those with experience have found it easier to get selections and then get jobs, but a fair number of 'low hours' pilots that I know have got jobs too, many of these being the ones who post on here telling their good news; the ones that you claim
I dispute your figure of
You are claiming that 1 x 250hr pilot in 1000 gets employed. A popularly banded figure on these pages is that there are approximately 1200-1400 pilots seeking employment in UK airlines. Let's say they are all 250hr pilots (which of course they are not), then you are claiming that only 1.2-1.4 of them is going to get a job! So let's just look at how many pilots CTC placed last year. I personally know of 10 and suspect it is at least 3 times that figure, so your claim is totally flawed purely based on the number placed through the CTC ATP Scheme. I personally know about 10x250hr pilots who have gained employment in the last 12 months, and granted I know more who have not, the point being that your 0.1% figure is completely inaccurate.
Well, strangely enough if they have circa 2500hrs TT they probably qualified around the same time as me, maybe a little after and out of all the people I trained with at Oxford (on the old self improver upgrade course), which amounts to about 15, 14 of them are now flying for airlines and one is still instructing.
So like I said at the start, many of us view this industry from our own introverted position, mine is completely different to yours, but the thing that gives my view more credibility in 'the big scheme' of things is that I am now involved with dozens of pilots who are seeking employment and a large swathe of these have found airline employment and many continue to do so........... This year has been better than many over the last 4 years and the trend seems to be continuing.
Good luck.
PP
We all have a view of this industry tainted by our own position, be that one of success or one of 'still trying'. I feel genuinely sorry for all those guys out there who are having a hard time getting employment, but your comments are quite frankly way off the mark. Just because you don't know many people who have got jobs with 250hrs, or 1000hrs piston, or any other combination of 'non-airline' experience doesn't mean that everyone claiming to have got a job is a liar from a training school trying to drum up business!
I have met a broad range of Wannabes over the last 2 years, ranging from 250hrs all the way through to captains of large jet transports with a whole career behind them. I will say it again, that I have personal experience of pilots who have gained employment over the last 12 months in a large number of UK airlines and several from abroad too. Proportionately those with experience have found it easier to get selections and then get jobs, but a fair number of 'low hours' pilots that I know have got jobs too, many of these being the ones who post on here telling their good news; the ones that you claim
these people come from schools trying to give you some fake hopes
if you have around 250h, good luck!your chance are very slim, close of 0.1% to get a job as a pilot.
I have contacted my friends, who have all between 1000-2500h of flight time . Some are ex- cargo pilot, ex-flight instructors, they do not find any job. I have friends who actually fly for airlines(2% of my friends have found a job after 10 years)
So like I said at the start, many of us view this industry from our own introverted position, mine is completely different to yours, but the thing that gives my view more credibility in 'the big scheme' of things is that I am now involved with dozens of pilots who are seeking employment and a large swathe of these have found airline employment and many continue to do so........... This year has been better than many over the last 4 years and the trend seems to be continuing.
Good luck.
PP
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Skyman68,
I totally agree with Pilot Pete. I think you're view on the whole situation is a bit tainted. Because lowtimer wannebes surely do get jobs lately. In the last 8-10 months quite a large number of wannebees I know got hired. It could just be luck, but the fact is that they DO succeed in finding a job. I truly believe that if you want something, and you are persistent, you'll achieve it. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, or even over a couple of years. Just stay in there, and it will workout.
I'm not here to judge you, but don't say this kind of stuff just because of a bit frustration (so it seems to me though).
Well good luck.
Lil' P
I totally agree with Pilot Pete. I think you're view on the whole situation is a bit tainted. Because lowtimer wannebes surely do get jobs lately. In the last 8-10 months quite a large number of wannebees I know got hired. It could just be luck, but the fact is that they DO succeed in finding a job. I truly believe that if you want something, and you are persistent, you'll achieve it. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, or even over a couple of years. Just stay in there, and it will workout.
I'm not here to judge you, but don't say this kind of stuff just because of a bit frustration (so it seems to me though).
Well good luck.
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I hope you are right guys.it is true that actually it is not a good time to apply.
if airlines start to play with us and make fun of us, I know thousant of pilots who will not be able to pay themselves a decent retirement, have a decent life,...
my family is upset by this situation, by chance I am not married and I have no kids. in fact I have no life because I bet all on my stupid career"to become a professional pilot, and after years of hassels , I have nothing more than some 2000 hours and nobody really cares of my flight time. Now they ask 2000 hours of jet time, and where I am going to log that???what i know for sure, the governement (the CAA and UK government) took all my money to pay landing, fuel, TVA fee. thanks a lot !
next time, I destroy my passport and I apply as a refugee!!!
if airlines start to play with us and make fun of us, I know thousant of pilots who will not be able to pay themselves a decent retirement, have a decent life,...
my family is upset by this situation, by chance I am not married and I have no kids. in fact I have no life because I bet all on my stupid career"to become a professional pilot, and after years of hassels , I have nothing more than some 2000 hours and nobody really cares of my flight time. Now they ask 2000 hours of jet time, and where I am going to log that???what i know for sure, the governement (the CAA and UK government) took all my money to pay landing, fuel, TVA fee. thanks a lot !
next time, I destroy my passport and I apply as a refugee!!!
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Skyman, you're becoming VERY VERY boring now.
Its always the same story. I have some serious suspicions about you're true existence.
Come back when you have something positive to say, or go try Ryanair, as it seems nobody wants to work for them
Its always the same story. I have some serious suspicions about you're true existence.
Come back when you have something positive to say, or go try Ryanair, as it seems nobody wants to work for them
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Skyman,
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news have personally seen two candidates go all the way through CTC to LoCo who at interview had less than 300hrs.
Also know for a fact that another two pilots have gone directly onto a type a jet rating course one with 329hrs and one with 400hrs.
None of them had twin time other than IR, none of them had jet time or turbo time.
None of them had type ratings.
What did they have in common? How and where? are they the best of the best? Do they deserve it more than you?
Well 1st things 1st. What they had in common was they were all female, one was integrated Oxford and the other three modular various other schools. One was Swedish, one Austrian, the other ex Cabin Crew and one was English.
How and where? Well two CTC and the other two are typing on Dornier 328 (you work it out).
Are they the best? Of course not they are good enough cos they are qualified, they were in the right time at the right place or knew the right people or were just lucky in one case. Two were really nice people two just people (my opinion). All were under 30 in fact 3 were under 25.
But hey some people get cancer and die, some smoke till they are 90 and never have a problem.
Stop thinking that the world owes you a living because you've put some effort in, it doesn't.
You want to apply as a refugee do you, do you really? No do you because why don't you go and live in a war torn state somewhere and suffer a bit of torture or abuse, live the life that some of these poeple have and then apply for a passport if you like and then maybe you will see how badly off you really are.
Now don't get me wrong it's just that I for one am a little fed up with people like you moaning that it doesn't work for them.
Is it frustrating yes, have I been there, errm yes, did it annoy me errrm yes am I asking the world to explain itself errmm NO.
Get of your jacksie and move countries, buy a type rating fly in Africa, Antartica wherever you can find a plane. Sell a kidney, sell your granny, sell your soul. Do something untill it works. You said you are single so therefore what do you have to gain apart form experience of the world.
Maybe that experience will show that life ain't easy and isn't a gift its a daily never ending struggle to keep your head above the waters of depression, bankruptcy and decay but hey if it was easy then the rewards would not taste so sweet.
So take your negative karma out of our grid square and come back when you've sold the rose tinted spectacles.
Sorry just my tuppence worth
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news have personally seen two candidates go all the way through CTC to LoCo who at interview had less than 300hrs.
Also know for a fact that another two pilots have gone directly onto a type a jet rating course one with 329hrs and one with 400hrs.
None of them had twin time other than IR, none of them had jet time or turbo time.
None of them had type ratings.
What did they have in common? How and where? are they the best of the best? Do they deserve it more than you?
Well 1st things 1st. What they had in common was they were all female, one was integrated Oxford and the other three modular various other schools. One was Swedish, one Austrian, the other ex Cabin Crew and one was English.
How and where? Well two CTC and the other two are typing on Dornier 328 (you work it out).
Are they the best? Of course not they are good enough cos they are qualified, they were in the right time at the right place or knew the right people or were just lucky in one case. Two were really nice people two just people (my opinion). All were under 30 in fact 3 were under 25.
But hey some people get cancer and die, some smoke till they are 90 and never have a problem.
Stop thinking that the world owes you a living because you've put some effort in, it doesn't.
You want to apply as a refugee do you, do you really? No do you because why don't you go and live in a war torn state somewhere and suffer a bit of torture or abuse, live the life that some of these poeple have and then apply for a passport if you like and then maybe you will see how badly off you really are.
Now don't get me wrong it's just that I for one am a little fed up with people like you moaning that it doesn't work for them.
Is it frustrating yes, have I been there, errm yes, did it annoy me errrm yes am I asking the world to explain itself errmm NO.
Get of your jacksie and move countries, buy a type rating fly in Africa, Antartica wherever you can find a plane. Sell a kidney, sell your granny, sell your soul. Do something untill it works. You said you are single so therefore what do you have to gain apart form experience of the world.
Maybe that experience will show that life ain't easy and isn't a gift its a daily never ending struggle to keep your head above the waters of depression, bankruptcy and decay but hey if it was easy then the rewards would not taste so sweet.
So take your negative karma out of our grid square and come back when you've sold the rose tinted spectacles.
Sorry just my tuppence worth
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Here here!
Personally, I think CV content, personality traits, previous employment record and work ethic are far more important than numbers in log books. Especially considering the numbers of pilots applying with relatively few hours and the current climate of the industry.
Concentrate of making your CV sparkle. What can you do to make yourself stand out? Sure, fly on the side to keep yourself current but don't throw ALL your money at hour building. It's not the be all and end all.
I've got A-levels, gained a PPL(H) at 17, been a bus driver in London for a few years, been a hospital volunteer worker, been a special constable... and now I'm studying for a degree which encompasses a PPL(A). I'm planning to be applying to airlines with circa 100hrs fixed wing in a less than 3 years time. I'm also planning to get a job in the industry (non-flying) while I wait. Not that I'm blowing my own trumpet but I mean I'll have sod all hours when I apply but I believe the qualities everything else has taught/will teach me are worth so much more.
much of what has been said already, but was keen to emphasise the points.
Jim
Personally, I think CV content, personality traits, previous employment record and work ethic are far more important than numbers in log books. Especially considering the numbers of pilots applying with relatively few hours and the current climate of the industry.
Concentrate of making your CV sparkle. What can you do to make yourself stand out? Sure, fly on the side to keep yourself current but don't throw ALL your money at hour building. It's not the be all and end all.
I've got A-levels, gained a PPL(H) at 17, been a bus driver in London for a few years, been a hospital volunteer worker, been a special constable... and now I'm studying for a degree which encompasses a PPL(A). I'm planning to be applying to airlines with circa 100hrs fixed wing in a less than 3 years time. I'm also planning to get a job in the industry (non-flying) while I wait. Not that I'm blowing my own trumpet but I mean I'll have sod all hours when I apply but I believe the qualities everything else has taught/will teach me are worth so much more.
much of what has been said already, but was keen to emphasise the points.
Jim
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I think you got be positive instead buying into all the negative crap that gets circulated. Here's a list of some of the things I've heard on my travels. Now if I believed all of this then I'd be screw, infact just about everyone would be!
Airlines don't like instructors because they have bad habits.
You should do an MCC on a relavent type otherwise it use less.
Airlines don't like taxi pilots as there too used to single crew operation.
Don't take a job on a turboprop, you'll get stuck there and never get onto jets.
Airlines don't take modular students.
Airlines don't employ pilots who didn't pass there IR first time.
You need to pass all groundschool exams first time.
To get a job you need 2000hrs jet (skyman68).
Much more than 1000hrs of instructing is frowned upon.
Only 0.1% get jobs as a pilots (skyman68).
Airlines expect you to of done the IR at oxford or cabair 'they don't like other less reputable schools'.
Turboprop operator don't take people who've done JOT courses.
I'm sure there's some truth in a few of these but personally I've seen evidence that contradict all of them. I'm not saying that's it's easy to find a job, not at all, merely that being negative is going to make it much harder.
Merlin.
Airlines don't like instructors because they have bad habits.
You should do an MCC on a relavent type otherwise it use less.
Airlines don't like taxi pilots as there too used to single crew operation.
Don't take a job on a turboprop, you'll get stuck there and never get onto jets.
Airlines don't take modular students.
Airlines don't employ pilots who didn't pass there IR first time.
You need to pass all groundschool exams first time.
To get a job you need 2000hrs jet (skyman68).
Much more than 1000hrs of instructing is frowned upon.
Only 0.1% get jobs as a pilots (skyman68).
Airlines expect you to of done the IR at oxford or cabair 'they don't like other less reputable schools'.
Turboprop operator don't take people who've done JOT courses.
I'm sure there's some truth in a few of these but personally I've seen evidence that contradict all of them. I'm not saying that's it's easy to find a job, not at all, merely that being negative is going to make it much harder.
Merlin.
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skyman, I am EXACTLY in the same situation as you are. I have spent 10 years (I finished my PPL in spring 1994)... I decided to move to the US in 1997 to do the FAA stuff (everything from PPL to FI), I was happy because I built good flight time in 2 years (more than 1300 and 500 multi),... then I move back to Europe, well... a place at the south of the continent called "Spain" (Im spanish).
Anyway... Im still alucinating how I could find my first job (no jet or turboprop at all)... Im flying single prop for an aerial photography company (I cant buy single peugeot 206 with my salary) Now I have more than 2200 hours (thats all Ive got after 10 years), but I´ve got another problem, Im 32 years old, my time is running out, and I know that its a little chance for me to ever be a line pilot... but not for you.
Things in UK work different I heard, I do beleive that if you still working out your way there you could do something. Here in Spain there are several (I said several thousand pilots unemployed), if you have the enormous luck to be called by an airline, in many cases they can ask you to pay 50.000€ just for the type rating, some others ask you for less money but for temporary contracts... and others if you do not have conections forget it.
People here live worst for sure, this fact is not going to help you, just think that things could be a lot worst.
But Im still here, fighting against everything, nobody will fight for me. I just can say...keep trying
Anyway... Im still alucinating how I could find my first job (no jet or turboprop at all)... Im flying single prop for an aerial photography company (I cant buy single peugeot 206 with my salary) Now I have more than 2200 hours (thats all Ive got after 10 years), but I´ve got another problem, Im 32 years old, my time is running out, and I know that its a little chance for me to ever be a line pilot... but not for you.
Things in UK work different I heard, I do beleive that if you still working out your way there you could do something. Here in Spain there are several (I said several thousand pilots unemployed), if you have the enormous luck to be called by an airline, in many cases they can ask you to pay 50.000€ just for the type rating, some others ask you for less money but for temporary contracts... and others if you do not have conections forget it.
People here live worst for sure, this fact is not going to help you, just think that things could be a lot worst.
But Im still here, fighting against everything, nobody will fight for me. I just can say...keep trying
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Hi All,
For all disappointed ones, read me.
I am going to be 29 next June. An above average computer engineer, with not surprisingly, passion to be an airline pilot. Yes, I wasn't the fortunate one to inherit money to fund my training and I have read a lot about the flying schools, training, ratings and Jobs. Combined together, all gives a horrible picture but here I am, risking all my life savings only because I believe in myself. All odds are against me but I have decided to go against all this. If you don't have fighting skills like these ... then you cannot be a pilot. I was born this way. Came from a deprived society and had to do everything on my own since the age of 16. Joined IT so that I could pile up some money for my life i.e. Be a Pilot. Can't sleep seeing myself not being one.
I don't want to look back at the age of 50 and regret "What if??". I know there is a very hard time ahead but I am up for it. No pain, No gain. I have decided to gamble .. and I will gamble.
Friends at PPrune are like an extended family to me .. and I am sure advices will flood through.
For all disappointed ones, read me.
I am going to be 29 next June. An above average computer engineer, with not surprisingly, passion to be an airline pilot. Yes, I wasn't the fortunate one to inherit money to fund my training and I have read a lot about the flying schools, training, ratings and Jobs. Combined together, all gives a horrible picture but here I am, risking all my life savings only because I believe in myself. All odds are against me but I have decided to go against all this. If you don't have fighting skills like these ... then you cannot be a pilot. I was born this way. Came from a deprived society and had to do everything on my own since the age of 16. Joined IT so that I could pile up some money for my life i.e. Be a Pilot. Can't sleep seeing myself not being one.
I don't want to look back at the age of 50 and regret "What if??". I know there is a very hard time ahead but I am up for it. No pain, No gain. I have decided to gamble .. and I will gamble.
Friends at PPrune are like an extended family to me .. and I am sure advices will flood through.
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I do not want upset anyone on this forum, I just want say that it is very hard to get a job in aviation and the success of 1 or 2 guys on the hundred, thousand pilots looking for a job, does not mean it is easy., and without lot of money, and compassion from your wife, family or kid, most have stoped to look after 2-3 years.
when i read some posts here, I think you have to be a true nationalist british citizen and maybe that is my problem, I am a foreigner from the continent. By the way do you know lot of pilots who are not british and who fly for a UK airlines?
anyway, I have sent some CV again, and I will keep you informed of my researches.
you are right pkos, I am in the same situation, lot of hours, between 30-40, no typed,...
...and some people say that guys with 250 h got jobs, WHERE????
give me some names, and I will become a true believerthat less hours you have better it is!
for now, I really think that some flight schools are posting bullockshere to make run their business!particularly at this time, when the fuel is so expensive.
ah ah very funny merlin...eh you are totally right .in fact if you have less than 250 and more than 250h, it is not possible to get a job.that' my new theory!
This aviation market has always been ridiculous.
when i read some posts here, I think you have to be a true nationalist british citizen and maybe that is my problem, I am a foreigner from the continent. By the way do you know lot of pilots who are not british and who fly for a UK airlines?
anyway, I have sent some CV again, and I will keep you informed of my researches.
you are right pkos, I am in the same situation, lot of hours, between 30-40, no typed,...
...and some people say that guys with 250 h got jobs, WHERE????
give me some names, and I will become a true believerthat less hours you have better it is!
for now, I really think that some flight schools are posting bullockshere to make run their business!particularly at this time, when the fuel is so expensive.
ah ah very funny merlin...eh you are totally right .in fact if you have less than 250 and more than 250h, it is not possible to get a job.that' my new theory!
This aviation market has always been ridiculous.
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