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Thought this might be of interest. I have no connection with either company and don't know more than what you can read below.
Alteon Training, a wholly owned subsidiary of The Boeing Company, and Boeing's exclusive training supplier, is very pleased to be recently appointed as a training provider to Ryanair, offering 737-800 Type Rating courses as a part of Ryanair's Self Sponsored Training Scheme.
We currently have courses planned for the Summer months this year. Ryanair has supplied us with your details in order that we may contact you to ask if you are still interested in flying with Ryanair and, therefore, this opportunity to gain a Type Rating with the world's premier training company, Alteon.
The selection process will initially be by a simulator assessment conducted by Alteon instructional staff. Ryanair HR personnel will then interview successful candidates. If successful after the interview stage, you would move directly on to the Type Rating course.
The dates of the Type Rating courses are as follows:
19 July Cadet Course and JAR25 Co-pilots - Palma de Mallorca
09 August JAR25 Captains and Co-pilots - London-Gatwick
As described on the Ryanair website, candidates under this scheme are self-sponsored. The cost to each candidate for the training is 1) Simulator Assessment - Ģ290 plus UK V.A.T. and 2) 737-800 Type Rating Course - 21,407 plus applicable local taxes. The training would take place at either London-Luton, London-Gatwick or Palma de Mallorca on our state of the art devices and training aids. The location will be determined by the availability of resources. In addition to this training Ryanair will require successful candidates to attend company training at their training centre. This will be described to you at the interview.
You should be aware that there is a lot of interest in this opportunity and therefore if you wish to proceed you should click on this link http://alteon.sigmaraviation.com today to initiate the process. This will take you to a questionnaire, which we use as the initial selection tool, and is the only way to apply and to receive more information on this opportunity. Sigmar Aviation are the Alteon appointed partner for this project. Any information submitted to either Alteon or Sigmar Aviation will remain confidential and will not be distributed. We look forward to hearing from you.
Yours sincerely,
Alteon Training UK Limited
We currently have courses planned for the Summer months this year. Ryanair has supplied us with your details in order that we may contact you to ask if you are still interested in flying with Ryanair and, therefore, this opportunity to gain a Type Rating with the world's premier training company, Alteon.
The selection process will initially be by a simulator assessment conducted by Alteon instructional staff. Ryanair HR personnel will then interview successful candidates. If successful after the interview stage, you would move directly on to the Type Rating course.
The dates of the Type Rating courses are as follows:
19 July Cadet Course and JAR25 Co-pilots - Palma de Mallorca
09 August JAR25 Captains and Co-pilots - London-Gatwick
As described on the Ryanair website, candidates under this scheme are self-sponsored. The cost to each candidate for the training is 1) Simulator Assessment - Ģ290 plus UK V.A.T. and 2) 737-800 Type Rating Course - 21,407 plus applicable local taxes. The training would take place at either London-Luton, London-Gatwick or Palma de Mallorca on our state of the art devices and training aids. The location will be determined by the availability of resources. In addition to this training Ryanair will require successful candidates to attend company training at their training centre. This will be described to you at the interview.
You should be aware that there is a lot of interest in this opportunity and therefore if you wish to proceed you should click on this link http://alteon.sigmaraviation.com today to initiate the process. This will take you to a questionnaire, which we use as the initial selection tool, and is the only way to apply and to receive more information on this opportunity. Sigmar Aviation are the Alteon appointed partner for this project. Any information submitted to either Alteon or Sigmar Aviation will remain confidential and will not be distributed. We look forward to hearing from you.
Yours sincerely,
Alteon Training UK Limited
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Got the mail too. Several questions come to my mind
1. If you pay your rating after the sim ride and the interview. Do you get the job with ryanair? I donīt want to spend a fortune for nothing
2. Alteon is not among the companys that I have heard they work with ryanair. Why this mail then
3. What is the starting salary. According to ppjn it doesnīt semm to be a lot
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1. If you pay your rating after the sim ride and the interview. Do you get the job with ryanair? I donīt want to spend a fortune for nothing
2. Alteon is not among the companys that I have heard they work with ryanair. Why this mail then
3. What is the starting salary. According to ppjn it doesnīt semm to be a lot
Info wanted. thanks
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I got it too - nice to see the Ryanair are well on top of their recruiting and up to date with applications, only sent mine 2 years ago.
Said rather politely thanks but no thanks, already flying a 73 and with an airline where I don't have to bring in a thermos flask every morning (and my plane has window blinds, and reclining seats - oh the luxuries)!!! Kin pikey gippos
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Said rather politely thanks but no thanks, already flying a 73 and with an airline where I don't have to bring in a thermos flask every morning (and my plane has window blinds, and reclining seats - oh the luxuries)!!! Kin pikey gippos
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It seems a few have received the mail. Was interested to know what percentage of applicants may get to go forward to the sim stage.
Toro the Ryanair site has much of the info you require,quote" Following successful completion of your type-rating training with the Approved Training School and Base Check with Ryanair, you will be offered a six months training contract by Ryanair to facilitate your line training".
Alteon is now mentioned on the web site, starting salary is low but flight pay is good.
Bobby Guzzler heard that applications are sorted in chronological order, my application went in around two years ago as well.
Toro the Ryanair site has much of the info you require,quote" Following successful completion of your type-rating training with the Approved Training School and Base Check with Ryanair, you will be offered a six months training contract by Ryanair to facilitate your line training".
Alteon is now mentioned on the web site, starting salary is low but flight pay is good.
Bobby Guzzler heard that applications are sorted in chronological order, my application went in around two years ago as well.
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Congrats The Yank! 
I'm pleased for you that you won't have to do much more puddle jumping at Stapleford. You've been plugging away a long time and deserved a break! I'd be interested to know where you're going.
Best of luck!
I'm pleased for you that you won't have to do much more puddle jumping at Stapleford. You've been plugging away a long time and deserved a break! I'd be interested to know where you're going.Best of luck!
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My two bits go as follows. Job market picking up, and will continue to do so. If everyone out of work was patient and climbed the aviation ladder the old fashion way... ie Instruct/Tow gliders into FO light twin/turbo to skipper and on up people would not have to sell limbs to get jobs. You might even learn how to fly and have fun in the process!
Stop paying for type ratings and the BS ends. Good on ya Yank. Got a great job and it cost me nada. Getting payed a big salary. Just have to do my time agreed too. Which brings me to another point. If every pilot out there honoured their training agreements, this whole paying for a type rating crap would be much further from the minds of the bean counters who now run the shows.
Screw Ryan Air and all who ask for money.
Stop paying for type ratings and the BS ends. Good on ya Yank. Got a great job and it cost me nada. Getting payed a big salary. Just have to do my time agreed too. Which brings me to another point. If every pilot out there honoured their training agreements, this whole paying for a type rating crap would be much further from the minds of the bean counters who now run the shows.
Screw Ryan Air and all who ask for money.
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climbed the aviation ladder the old fashion way... ie Instruct/Tow gliders into FO light twin/turbo to skipper and on up people would not have to sell limbs to get jobs. You might even learn how to fly and have fun in the process!
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In some cases yes. Airline sponsorship schemes are one thing. Since 9/11 they are scarce and in many cases not as good as they were.
Getting your licence at mom and pops flying school and then getting a job on an NG 73 etc just because you have an extra 30gs to spare is another. No question about it, whoever has the biggest bank account is by far the best candiadate for an FO job. Hours, types, education and pure ability don't really count. I am sure the travelling public would agree.
I fly in Europe and it did not cost me a penny. More poeple should aim for the same and we could put that money to other uses like shelter and food for ourselves and loved ones. Think about it. You are lining otherwise already very wealthy peoples pockets.
My two Cents. Pardon the pun.
Getting your licence at mom and pops flying school and then getting a job on an NG 73 etc just because you have an extra 30gs to spare is another. No question about it, whoever has the biggest bank account is by far the best candiadate for an FO job. Hours, types, education and pure ability don't really count. I am sure the travelling public would agree.
I fly in Europe and it did not cost me a penny. More poeple should aim for the same and we could put that money to other uses like shelter and food for ourselves and loved ones. Think about it. You are lining otherwise already very wealthy peoples pockets.
My two Cents. Pardon the pun.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I think you will find that Alteon are unaware of the above letter so dont get too excited. Ryanair and Flight Safety/Alteon have been having talks for quite some time now. Some busy body obviously overheard a conversation and thought it would be a great idea to pass on his/her info.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I think you will find that Alteon are unaware of the above letter so dont get too excited. Ryanair and Flight Safety/Alteon have been having talks for quite some time now. Some busy body obviously overheard a conversation and thought it would be a great idea to pass on his/her info.
As I stated when I started this thread, I have no connection with either Alteon or Ryanair, but received this e-mail possibly as a result of being in contact with FR about 18 months ago.
It was sent by a Jane Dodd at Alteon (this must be the busy body you were talking about), who then not only drafted the above e-mail but also had access to my e-mail address, which can only be known to Alteon because Ryanair supplied it to them. In addition, the Ryanair website lists Alteon as one of their training providers on their wannabee pilots page including the same link as was in the e-mail you dismiss as fake.
Having looked at the information available to me and done a bit of research I have every reason to believe it is real. Can you state your reasons why you think otherwise?
Facts please, no hear-say.
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Peggy do your research before you start shooting someone down we all know that this is a RUMOURS website and yes it is helpful when false rumours are quashed. A big thanks to IRRated for starting this thread, just look at the interest it has generated over 1000 hits, we need all the info we can get to try and get the 1st step on the ladder.
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RE: Alteon/Ryanair -- it's true, all you need to do is pick up the phone and ask someone. Sigmar is backing this with Alteon and as said, is fully supported by Ryanair as seen on their website.
On another note from reading this thread....
I still can't figure out why people are continually putting down those who chose the self sponsored route ie. Ryanair, etc.
Sure, it may not be looked on highly by those from the old school and certainly puts a dent in ones pocket but if someone has the means to pay for this and go about this route why would you slag them off? I certainly would not say no to an offer if it was self funded and I had the bank account to support it, for the good of those who do not. That's like someone giving you something and saying no, I'll wait until everyone else has the same opportunity, is it not?
Although a low timer, it doesn't take long to see that this is a cut throat industry and people have to go by whatever means necessary to secure a job - I'm not speaking of back stabbing or stepping on people, rather using all means available to you - money, who you know, etc. We all share the same passion of flying and also the desire to have a job - plain and simple, so why not get those objectives by whatever option you have available?
I understand this may upset those who feel that we are selling ourselves and the industry short but we all need a job and we all want to fly so I think it's time to accept that this may be the new direction aviation is taking, especially for us low timers!
Good Luck.
yyzdub
On another note from reading this thread....
I still can't figure out why people are continually putting down those who chose the self sponsored route ie. Ryanair, etc.
Sure, it may not be looked on highly by those from the old school and certainly puts a dent in ones pocket but if someone has the means to pay for this and go about this route why would you slag them off? I certainly would not say no to an offer if it was self funded and I had the bank account to support it, for the good of those who do not. That's like someone giving you something and saying no, I'll wait until everyone else has the same opportunity, is it not?
Although a low timer, it doesn't take long to see that this is a cut throat industry and people have to go by whatever means necessary to secure a job - I'm not speaking of back stabbing or stepping on people, rather using all means available to you - money, who you know, etc. We all share the same passion of flying and also the desire to have a job - plain and simple, so why not get those objectives by whatever option you have available?
I understand this may upset those who feel that we are selling ourselves and the industry short but we all need a job and we all want to fly so I think it's time to accept that this may be the new direction aviation is taking, especially for us low timers!
Good Luck.
yyzdub
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I think most people on these pages quite understand WHY guys pay for type ratings and they don't dispute that. I think what people dislike is that it has become a trend, started by the low cost operators and now more and more airlines simply follow suit, be that because they feel they have to to compete, or just purely because they see it as a way to lower thei costs. What this does is shift the risk and the cost on to the individual. What it also does is lower the starting terms and conditions for those who sign up to these agreements. Market forces maybe, but if no-one paid for a type rating the industry would still bear the costs and this is where many current pilots think the costs should lie. It could be taken to an extreme; where do you stop paying the airline for your 'chance'? This could keep getting pushed further and further by those that try it; perhaps paying for a type rating and a reduced salary for a couple of years could become paying for a type rating, no salary or expenses during training, reduced salary for 3-5 years and so on.
What worries current pilots is the detrimental effect this has on pilot terms and conditions as a whole. It drags the whole renumeration package down, even if it be by lower salary scales introduced for new joiners. Again, market forces maybe, but terms and conditions are what you can negotiate, not what a company can (claim to) afford and this is where making a united stand pays dividends.
So just going back to the individual and risk, be under no illusion that getting a shiny jet type rating does not guarantee a job and this is another unacceptable side to paying for type ratings. Glossy ads and starry eyes need to be focussed to fully understand the implications of paying for your own type rating. I know a couple of individuals who have paid for a 737 type rating who are finding it just as difficult to get work now as they were before shelling out many more thousands o try to secure the dream. Problem is that many companies tie themselves to a training provider and offer you a job based on you getting a type rating through their scheme. They obviously make a return on this business so if you turn oup with a brand new type rating and no experience on it you are in effect going to lose them income so they are not interested. Add this to the detrimental effect that having a 737/A320 type rating will have on your 'Loganair' application and all of a sudden you are left carrying all the cost and the risk and possibly still no nearer that first job.
Food for thought I think and although I would never say never to someone asking advice about paying for a type rating I always try to point out the associated risks and let the individual try to make a reasoned dicision based on all the implications.
PP
I think most people on these pages quite understand WHY guys pay for type ratings and they don't dispute that. I think what people dislike is that it has become a trend, started by the low cost operators and now more and more airlines simply follow suit, be that because they feel they have to to compete, or just purely because they see it as a way to lower thei costs. What this does is shift the risk and the cost on to the individual. What it also does is lower the starting terms and conditions for those who sign up to these agreements. Market forces maybe, but if no-one paid for a type rating the industry would still bear the costs and this is where many current pilots think the costs should lie. It could be taken to an extreme; where do you stop paying the airline for your 'chance'? This could keep getting pushed further and further by those that try it; perhaps paying for a type rating and a reduced salary for a couple of years could become paying for a type rating, no salary or expenses during training, reduced salary for 3-5 years and so on.
What worries current pilots is the detrimental effect this has on pilot terms and conditions as a whole. It drags the whole renumeration package down, even if it be by lower salary scales introduced for new joiners. Again, market forces maybe, but terms and conditions are what you can negotiate, not what a company can (claim to) afford and this is where making a united stand pays dividends.
So just going back to the individual and risk, be under no illusion that getting a shiny jet type rating does not guarantee a job and this is another unacceptable side to paying for type ratings. Glossy ads and starry eyes need to be focussed to fully understand the implications of paying for your own type rating. I know a couple of individuals who have paid for a 737 type rating who are finding it just as difficult to get work now as they were before shelling out many more thousands o try to secure the dream. Problem is that many companies tie themselves to a training provider and offer you a job based on you getting a type rating through their scheme. They obviously make a return on this business so if you turn oup with a brand new type rating and no experience on it you are in effect going to lose them income so they are not interested. Add this to the detrimental effect that having a 737/A320 type rating will have on your 'Loganair' application and all of a sudden you are left carrying all the cost and the risk and possibly still no nearer that first job.
Food for thought I think and although I would never say never to someone asking advice about paying for a type rating I always try to point out the associated risks and let the individual try to make a reasoned dicision based on all the implications.
PP