BACX Pilot Recruitment
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re the salary
I don't know what the conditions are like for the bond etc.
Why is 20k crap? As an intial starting salary
Its nearly double what an FI would get.
You get a type rating
You get multi crew time.
You get access to the BA crew discounts.
Don't have to support keeping your self current.
Company medicals.
Its a bloody good start in the industry.
MJ
I don't know what the conditions are like for the bond etc.
Why is 20k crap? As an intial starting salary
Its nearly double what an FI would get.
You get a type rating
You get multi crew time.
You get access to the BA crew discounts.
Don't have to support keeping your self current.
Company medicals.
Its a bloody good start in the industry.
MJ
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I agree with you Phil, I'm not so sure there is a lack of pilots. At the BALPA conference last October there were 400+ Frozen ATPL people looking for jobs. I would guess there is a large percentage who will be applying. People are working in offices through to Ops departments just to make ends meet. At least it's a sign of good times and recruitment is finally picking up!
All the best,
Le-Slat
All the best,
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Cheeky Visual.
But do you think the RJ and 145 are progressing your career. Maybe maybe not !
Get a grip.
experience is experience. I fly the 145 and have just secured an interview with one of the worlds top airlines. I hope you are not in my RHS in a 747 in ten years.
But do you think the RJ and 145 are progressing your career. Maybe maybe not !
Get a grip.
experience is experience. I fly the 145 and have just secured an interview with one of the worlds top airlines. I hope you are not in my RHS in a 747 in ten years.
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Whats the ERJ like to operate? I hope to get a a position on one in the future? FMC/Autopilot/Handling-X-Winds/ WX radar etc.
Thanks
Also: (Question to all?)
Why does the online application ask for initial Instrament Rating so many times?
Whats the ERJ like to operate? I hope to get a a position on one in the future? FMC/Autopilot/Handling-X-Winds/ WX radar etc.
Thanks
Also: (Question to all?)
Why does the online application ask for initial Instrament Rating so many times?
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"when the real jet boys start recruiting"
"nice orange 737"
"But do you think the RJ and 145 are progressing your career?"
This kind of opinion is regrettably rife in this "industry". Why do people attach so much importance to Boeings/Airbuses? Why are Boeing/Airbus operators "the real jet boys"? Having worked previously for BRAL they are extremely professional in their training and standards. Their equipment consists of "real" jets in the form of 145 and 146/RJ. I have several ex colleagues in EasyJet. And I wouldn't have swapped my BRAL job at the time for theirs in a million years. Better pay yes. Larger aircraft yes. But the workload in terms of duty is much more exhausting.
Not everyone wants to go wide-body in their "career". It annoys me when people assume all pilots are chasing "shiny jets".
I moved to charter 757s. The appeal wears off after the first year. I don't want to go any further in size due to personal lifestyle choice.
Have you considered that gaining a command by working your way in experience through one operator might give you more "experience" than being a career FO on larger and larger aircraft types?
"nice orange 737"
"But do you think the RJ and 145 are progressing your career?"
This kind of opinion is regrettably rife in this "industry". Why do people attach so much importance to Boeings/Airbuses? Why are Boeing/Airbus operators "the real jet boys"? Having worked previously for BRAL they are extremely professional in their training and standards. Their equipment consists of "real" jets in the form of 145 and 146/RJ. I have several ex colleagues in EasyJet. And I wouldn't have swapped my BRAL job at the time for theirs in a million years. Better pay yes. Larger aircraft yes. But the workload in terms of duty is much more exhausting.
Not everyone wants to go wide-body in their "career". It annoys me when people assume all pilots are chasing "shiny jets".
I moved to charter 757s. The appeal wears off after the first year. I don't want to go any further in size due to personal lifestyle choice.
Have you considered that gaining a command by working your way in experience through one operator might give you more "experience" than being a career FO on larger and larger aircraft types?
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Well said Ojuka,
It's that kind of "this will do for now until the proper jet jobs come along" that has (IMHO) prompted airlines to make decisions like making people pay for their own training. I'm guessing their thinking is twofold (ignoring the obvious beancounter savings):
(i) Make an initial cut on the huge pile of applicants, and
(ii) See who's willing to commit financially to job stability.
Unfortunately, all it's done is close the door for those who aren't fortunate enough to be able to throw £20,000 at a problem and make it go away. Oh, or happen to have a daddy who flew with the Chief Pilot of Whoever Air and get their job offer over luncheon after 18 holes.
I worked hard for my ATPL, of which I'm about 50% paid-off over the last year-and-half or so. Depressingly, that leaves exactly £zero to spend on hours building and I now find myself in the position of not having the "50 hours in the last 12 months".
Whinge over. <sigh>
It's that kind of "this will do for now until the proper jet jobs come along" that has (IMHO) prompted airlines to make decisions like making people pay for their own training. I'm guessing their thinking is twofold (ignoring the obvious beancounter savings):
(i) Make an initial cut on the huge pile of applicants, and
(ii) See who's willing to commit financially to job stability.
Unfortunately, all it's done is close the door for those who aren't fortunate enough to be able to throw £20,000 at a problem and make it go away. Oh, or happen to have a daddy who flew with the Chief Pilot of Whoever Air and get their job offer over luncheon after 18 holes.
I worked hard for my ATPL, of which I'm about 50% paid-off over the last year-and-half or so. Depressingly, that leaves exactly £zero to spend on hours building and I now find myself in the position of not having the "50 hours in the last 12 months".
Whinge over. <sigh>
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Essay type answers??
Regarding those pesky essay questions on the application form, does anybody know what the HR people are looking for? Or, more specifically, what they are not!?
These are the questions:-
Responsibility and Reliability:
Please give an example of an occasion where you exercised good judgement and decision-making skills.
Working with others:
Please give an example of a situation where you performed effectively as a member of a team'
Communicating effectively:
Please give an example of an occasion where you achieved a successful result through effective communication.
Business Awareness:
Please indicate a business issue currently facing the aviation industry and how this could be met by a regional airline.
Reasons for applying:
Please explain why you wish to join a regional airline as a pilot and what personal qualities you feel you could bring to this particular company in a flight operations role.
If anyone has succeeded in getting an interview following this type of application form, your tips and advice would be greatly appreciated. Likewise, if you're 'in the know' - it would be interesting to find out what type of answer gets your application thrown into the bin.
Many thanks,
WCB
These are the questions:-
Responsibility and Reliability:
Please give an example of an occasion where you exercised good judgement and decision-making skills.
Working with others:
Please give an example of a situation where you performed effectively as a member of a team'
Communicating effectively:
Please give an example of an occasion where you achieved a successful result through effective communication.
Business Awareness:
Please indicate a business issue currently facing the aviation industry and how this could be met by a regional airline.
Reasons for applying:
Please explain why you wish to join a regional airline as a pilot and what personal qualities you feel you could bring to this particular company in a flight operations role.
If anyone has succeeded in getting an interview following this type of application form, your tips and advice would be greatly appreciated. Likewise, if you're 'in the know' - it would be interesting to find out what type of answer gets your application thrown into the bin.
Many thanks,
WCB
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Responsibility and Reliability:
Please give an example of an occasion where YOU exercised good judgement and decision-making skills
Working with others:
Please give an example of a situation where YOU performed effectively as a member of a team'
Communicating effectively:
Please give an example of an occasion where YOU achieved a successful result through effective communication
Reasons for applying:
Please explain why YOU wish to join a regional airline as a pilot and what personal qualities YOU feel you could bring to this particular company in a flight operations role.
Please give an example of an occasion where YOU exercised good judgement and decision-making skills
Working with others:
Please give an example of a situation where YOU performed effectively as a member of a team'
Communicating effectively:
Please give an example of an occasion where YOU achieved a successful result through effective communication
Reasons for applying:
Please explain why YOU wish to join a regional airline as a pilot and what personal qualities YOU feel you could bring to this particular company in a flight operations role.
YOU can't cheat with these questions. They will suss you out should you make it to the interview, so go with your instinct and use some of your life experiences.
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Many thanks T24.
I'd just like to add that I'm not looking for a 'cheat' on this issue, merely feedback and advice. Having not been invited for interview the last time I applied, I feel the need for a bit of careful research this time!
Cheers,
WCB
I'd just like to add that I'm not looking for a 'cheat' on this issue, merely feedback and advice. Having not been invited for interview the last time I applied, I feel the need for a bit of careful research this time!
Cheers,
WCB
Those Essays
I've been told that those essay answers are scanned for keywords and the higher the number of keywords the better chance of you getting an interview. The keywords abound on any BA coporate website and with the literature they used to send out with an application, focus you research here.
The tips I received for filling in the questions were to list anything you have done in your life that might fit the title (some titles are misleading, read the subtitle to find what they actually want ie many examples or one), format your instances in the What, When etc, format, narrow down which you can fit the most BA corporate BS into and expand them into the essay format (you need 2 examples at this stage). Get a mate to read through the two of them and tell you which best fills the criteria and use that answer. Do not waffle, pad or add extraneous information, if you are shortlisted then your answers will be read by a human and any BS in your answers will result in a binning - remember that unlike school/uni essays you don't have to use 1000 words or more. You don't need to write about aviation experiences, the people doing the initial screening (used?) to work for an outside agency and didn't have a clue about planes. Indeed writing about something outside aviation may give you an edge at interview as you will appear to be more rounded. Remember the draft essay you didn't use? Well keep it in mind as you may be asked to give another example in the interview.
A lot of people complain about the BA application forms for being too long and taking too much time to fill in, if you are an unemployed 200 hour pilot remember - its a job, it worth it.
The tips I received for filling in the questions were to list anything you have done in your life that might fit the title (some titles are misleading, read the subtitle to find what they actually want ie many examples or one), format your instances in the What, When etc, format, narrow down which you can fit the most BA corporate BS into and expand them into the essay format (you need 2 examples at this stage). Get a mate to read through the two of them and tell you which best fills the criteria and use that answer. Do not waffle, pad or add extraneous information, if you are shortlisted then your answers will be read by a human and any BS in your answers will result in a binning - remember that unlike school/uni essays you don't have to use 1000 words or more. You don't need to write about aviation experiences, the people doing the initial screening (used?) to work for an outside agency and didn't have a clue about planes. Indeed writing about something outside aviation may give you an edge at interview as you will appear to be more rounded. Remember the draft essay you didn't use? Well keep it in mind as you may be asked to give another example in the interview.
A lot of people complain about the BA application forms for being too long and taking too much time to fill in, if you are an unemployed 200 hour pilot remember - its a job, it worth it.
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No complaints whatsoever about having to fill in a long application form, but slightly annoying to have to do it online with no way of saving bits and returning. My technique was to tap it all out in Word and then paste into each box, thus using as little as possible of my precious online time to fill in form.
Questions looked vaguely familiar...
Questions looked vaguely familiar...
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I hope they do read them. It is soul destroying filling in all these forms and sending all these CVs off knowing full well that a lot of them will just get put straight into the bin 
My BACX form went off yesterday. Has anybody received any kind of acknowledgement yet?
Hufty.
My BACX form went off yesterday. Has anybody received any kind of acknowledgement yet?
Hufty.
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Interview?
Has anyone heard back from Citiexpress sinse submitting their application?
The reason I ask is because I spoke to the school where I did my IR and they told me one of their students was called within a couple of hours regarding a job. He has his IR but no CPL yet! I know its rumour but just wondered if anyone else had such a fast response.
Cheers
LP
The reason I ask is because I spoke to the school where I did my IR and they told me one of their students was called within a couple of hours regarding a job. He has his IR but no CPL yet! I know its rumour but just wondered if anyone else had such a fast response.
Cheers
LP
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hi guys/gals good luck to all
I’ve sent mine on Tuesday again not been sent a reply it would be reassuring if they did having spent few hours on there hoping its got there
I’ve sent mine on Tuesday again not been sent a reply it would be reassuring if they did having spent few hours on there hoping its got there
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Last time I applied to BACX, I think I had to wait two weeks or more before being invited for an interview.
These things can take a while and rules aren't fixed.
ie somtimes airlines send the dear john straight away and more often perhaps, they call successful applicants first.
Like anyone else, I had been waiting to hear either over the phone or by letter. So everyday I was rushing to the door after the mail had been delivered and I never, ever switched off my mobile.
Except once because I was attending a graduation ceremony.... Guess what happened?
Yep BACX rung just at that time so when I rung back (an hour later) my interview slot had already been allocated.
Tough but I got another slot two days before so no sweat (in the end).
These things can take a while and rules aren't fixed.
ie somtimes airlines send the dear john straight away and more often perhaps, they call successful applicants first.
Like anyone else, I had been waiting to hear either over the phone or by letter. So everyday I was rushing to the door after the mail had been delivered and I never, ever switched off my mobile.
Except once because I was attending a graduation ceremony.... Guess what happened?
Yep BACX rung just at that time so when I rung back (an hour later) my interview slot had already been allocated.
Tough but I got another slot two days before so no sweat (in the end).