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Old 22nd Sep 2005, 16:34
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EEhhhh, Alright Calm down - calm down.
sorry couldnt help.
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Old 22nd Sep 2005, 17:32
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I thought all scousers had a sense of humour mr rota1010!!

Small winky!!!! How old are you!!!

Every heard of Air Rage! Look at yourself!

Anyway, I need my grass cutting are you busy!
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Old 6th Apr 2006, 14:45
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Stormaviation + Wizzair + SSTR

Does anyone have information regarding their cadet scheme??
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Old 6th Apr 2006, 15:56
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Go to storm aviation website.

You will have to pay for a type rating with them and then they will send you out to Poland (Katowice) for your line training and possibly some hours on top. It seems to change what they offer you, but I know many a pilot who has started their flying career with Storm and are now flying 320's in other companies.

On top of your Type Rating costs, expect a good 3-4 months without earning money as you will not get paid anything until you have flown off your Line Training and possibly 300 hours on top.

Accomodation may or may not be paid by storm, but it is cheap out their to get accom and the food and drink is also cheap... approx 6 PZL to a 1GBP, and a beer will cost about 5plz if you find the right places. Food is cheap. A meal in a cheap restaurant about 20 PZL..

You can also dead head back and fro to many of the destinations that Wizz offer..SO you can come home lots too...you are not stuck out there..

Plenty of interesting flying and a good mixture of guys

And "NO"...I did not go through the Storm Scheme...
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Old 6th Apr 2006, 17:30
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Basically, it's about 6 months, or longer, and something like GBP30k out of your life.

There's got to be better deals around, deals where you start earning money once you've got your rating and not paying to fly.
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Old 6th Apr 2006, 21:46
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Just a question - what I, most of the time, don't get about the SSTR thing is that I never understand why people go for this lowlifestyle - you know eating cheap food, sleeping in dirty motels, low wages, debts, basically surviving.

I don't understand why people go so low after such an investment to get the pilot qualifications - I always think there's a lack of respect and proudness in the whole idea. Sounds more like a story of some Thailand chap who was picked up on his island to clean the bilges for 12 months on a cargoship and he'll even get paid for it...
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Old 8th Apr 2006, 20:45
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question of cash

There is no point in quoting the post immediately above your own. We can all read, or we wouldn't be here.

Scroggs


don't you perhaps even consider that not everyone has rich mummies and daddies to fund kids career moves. so cheap accom and grub aint so bad at the end of the day as long as you keep that dream alive. nuff said.
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Old 10th Apr 2006, 13:35
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Thank you for your answers.

1. Does anybody know when they are starting courses again?
2. What is the selection proces?
3. I want to get in touch with anybody who has done this course. You can PM me if you want to...
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Old 19th Apr 2006, 06:49
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Hi

I am also very interrested in this deal. I'd be glad to hear from anybody with information, either here or PM
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Old 24th Apr 2006, 13:13
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Should I contact a company out of the blue? (Formerly WIZZ AIR contact)

Hallo. Can someone give me the way to contact by phone the wizz air Flight Operations?they have only a call centre and they don't give you any numbers nor e-mail. the guy I speak with say me that the only way is to write [email protected], But I want and I need to speak to, not send a e-mail that have an automatic replyer !!!!
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Old 26th Apr 2006, 18:05
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I could give you the contact details of the DFO but I'm not going to because there are procedures to be adhered to when applying for a job, indeed when operating an aircraft, and one should learn to adhere to procedures whether one likes it or not
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Old 27th Apr 2006, 07:48
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"because there are procedures to be adhered to when applying for a job"

Are you serious?! There's no such thing as rules and procedures for applying for a job. Do WHATEVER you can to get the job. No elmbows or stepping on toes - no job. Don't take Phileas advice if you really want a job. You have nothing to loose by calling the person responsible for recruitment. Even though it might just be to find out that they have an online reqruitment procedure.

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Old 27th Apr 2006, 12:36
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If one 'winds up' or annoys the people in charge of recruitment then one is not going to achieve anything and possible be regarded as 'don't touch with a barge pole'.

Just some friendly advice, from a person responsible for recruitment, take it or leave it, it's one's own choice

Originally Posted by low n' slow
"because there are procedures to be adhered to when applying for a job"
Are you serious?! There's no such thing as rules and procedures for applying for a job. Do WHATEVER you can to get the job. No elmbows or stepping on toes - no job. Don't take Phileas advice if you really want a job. You have nothing to loose by calling the person responsible for recruitment. Even though it might just be to find out that they have an online reqruitment procedure.
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Old 27th Apr 2006, 14:13
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You need to do something that stands out from the pile of applications.
Calling them is a good way to start, but do it in a way so that you don't annoy them. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible... Following application procedures have never given me a job. Doing it my way has. It's up to you what you want to do, and you have strong arguments for doing whatever you choose. But if you aren't called in for an interview you can only wonder what would have been if you called...

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Old 27th Apr 2006, 15:10
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re

That's what I'm want to do....call the Flight op Offices and have direct news on phone, because I appyied hundred and hundred online form but with not so excellent answers.....so now I want to try to contact or go direct to meet this people in their offices.

But I need in this case the contact of Wizz Air that since now I don't have found.
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Old 2nd May 2006, 07:34
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So, nobody that try with Wizzair????!!!! I cannot immagining.......
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Old 2nd May 2006, 09:24
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I agree with low n' slow.
Put everything you got to get a job. For 6 months I applied to Airlines thru their HR dept's, online etc, and frankly no call, nothing has happened!
For the past month I visited this particular airline couple of times, getting to know the people. One thing not to forget is be professional about it - as said earlier don't annoy anyone or step on anyone's toes.
You will be ahead of other similar houred f/o's when the personel knows you personally. However, this might not be easy for you due to the location
of the airline...
In my case, the airline was in the same city I live in.

Good luck!
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Old 2nd May 2006, 20:49
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I would have agreed with both lo n' slow and diverine, but recent experience provides a cautionary anecdote if I may.

Last month, a certain Gentleman "in the know" at (large flight school) kindly gave me a nod and a wink and suggested I could do worse than visit a certain (major regional airline) since they were about to launch a recruitment drive.

"What... drop in unannounced?", I queried. "Won't they object to that?".

"Well, drop in your CV marked F.A.O. the Head of Pilot Recruitment with a business card. You've got nothing to lose", he replied confidently. "He's a nice guy. You might even be able to organise a visit!"

250 miles later, I pull up outside said airline head office and got as far as the reception desk. "He won't see you without an appointment", said the kindly receptionist, "but I can take your CV".

"Result!", thought I.

Having obtained his direct line number and driven 250 miles back home again, I left it a couple of days and then called him. I introduced myself on the phone I asked if he had received my CV.

"Yes", he replied. "Unfortunately we don't accept personal CVs. Have you completed the online application form?". "Yes", I replied, "But whether or not I am selected for interview, I would find it really useful if I might arrange a visit, to observe how your Company operates".

"Do you have any idea how many pilots like you we have applying?" he asked. "If we were to open our doors to all of them like you suggest, we would spend all our time showing people round. Frankly we don't have the time. We have an office of four people to handle hundreds of applications. We certainly don't have the time to read CVs, that's why we have an online application process. The computer will shortlist those that we invite for interview and just reviewing the shortlist takes all of our time. If you haven't heard from us in 6 weeks, then I'm afraid you were not successful."

"I see", I replied. "I'm sorry to have troubled you. It so happens that I am really keen to get an opportunity to work for you and I'm not sure that the online application process adequately reflects that."

"Well you're right... it doesn't", he said. "I'm really sorry, but everyone else is in the same boat and that's just the way it is. I sincerely wish you the best in your future career."

...And that was that.

Now, to be honest, I'm not all that surprised by the response. His tone of voice was polite enough to suggest I just might have got away with it - but six weeks is nearly up and I haven't been invited to an interview yet.

On the basis of this experience, I'm not convinced the personal touch is the right way to go. Phileas Fogg seems to have put his finger on the button. Phone calls and visits just seem to them off nowadays.


Good Luck,

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Old 2nd May 2006, 22:31
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"Do you have any idea how many pilots like you we have applying?" he asked. "If we were to open our doors to all of them like you suggest, we would spend all our time showing people round. Frankly we don't have the time. We have an office of four people to handle hundreds of applications.

LD Max,
Thanks for that, very informative and I can assure you that it's much the same with people telephoning. Each and every wannabee seems to think that they're the only one with the novel idea of picking up the phone to the company, well the bl00dy phone, sometimes, doesn't stop ringing and if the person answering gets a bit short, whilst struggling to get on with their work, well you've kinda explained it in your post.

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Old 3rd May 2006, 09:04
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My company's pilot recruitment is handled by one person. One. Not four in a dedicated office, let alone a whole department, just one person. That's because we can, and because people cost money. This is in a company of 8500 people, including 700 pilots, recruiting 140 pilots a year - and getting applications from several thousand annually.

We no longer accept speculative CVs. All our applicants must go via the online application procedure. Those who do not fit the basic selection criteria (licence, hours, residency rights, etc) will be binned by the computer. Those who fail to fill in the application correctly will be binned by the computer. Those whose English isn't up to the basic standards required by the application procedure will effectively eliminate themselves - though the computer will do the binning.

If the computer says 'Yes', then our one-and-only recruiting person will review the application. Though it might have passed the coarse filters applied by the computer, any application that is difficult to read or otherwise odd will be binned. Each application will get a few seconds of consideration, no more, at this stage. Applications which fit all our criteria will be studied in more detail and, if the person's history and style seem more or less what we want, our recruiting person will shortlist that applicant for interview. A further screening stage will get the interview list down to something manageable, but we'll reject 50-75% of those we interview.

All this is a full-time job - and then some. Speculative phone calls - even e-mails - are an unwanted and irritating distraction from this procedure and are highly likely to get the opposite reaction to that hoped for.

Other, smaller, companies may have more time for your inventive attempts to get yourself noticed, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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