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jarjam and mad_jock i see your both flying instructors, it sounds rewarding, seeing others succeed from your teaching. How easy is it to get a job as a FI?
Are there many schools recruiting this at the moment? Is it just a case of asking around at the local smaller FTOs where theyre not as likely to demand high hours FI's?
As i said i'm off to OX so I will take your advice, and take advice from the Career people there but i understand its important to get out there yourself get the FI rating and apply to the airlines myself and keep my ears close to the ground!
Anyway sorry for going off topic people!
Are there many schools recruiting this at the moment? Is it just a case of asking around at the local smaller FTOs where theyre not as likely to demand high hours FI's?
As i said i'm off to OX so I will take your advice, and take advice from the Career people there but i understand its important to get out there yourself get the FI rating and apply to the airlines myself and keep my ears close to the ground!
Anyway sorry for going off topic people!
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Well as Jarjam has just passed a sim check which is usually the last hurdle in getting a RHS on a pref A machine. We are actually both FO's now.
There are jobs out there but you have to do the foot work to get them. Emailing and Sending CV's out dosn't work you need to turn up looking the part at the school. And be willing to be treated like **** and under payed for a year or two. As the industry seems to be taking on 1000hr+ FI's there will be more jobs going. But they won't be advertised it will all be word of mouth or cold calls. And I know my old boss won't touch 50hrs+ instructing hours FI's with a barge pole, to much pain in the arse listening to "well at my last school we did it this way" "at my last school we couldn't send students solo in more than 15 knts" In fact the last instructor who got taken on had the job before he had even started his FI course.
Anyway this is the sort of stuff the career guy should be telling you at OAT. BUt then again they might not like the idea of one of there graduates flying a spam can.
Sorry for highjacking the thread a wee bit, but it really gets on my wick as a tight scotsman when marketing trys to pull the wool over customers eyes. The JAR system has changed everything and all that matters is the CPL/IR MCC at the end of the course. If OAT can't produce the goods with additional contacts to get your first foot on the ladder as far as i am concerned they havn't done what they have been payed for. And its really cheeky of them to try and use the customers that they have let down to gain information to support there marketing claims. When they had absoultly nothing to do with the pilot gaining employment.
MJ
And also the day my license came through the door, it was 5 mins between me signing it and my first flight as an instructor.
There are jobs out there but you have to do the foot work to get them. Emailing and Sending CV's out dosn't work you need to turn up looking the part at the school. And be willing to be treated like **** and under payed for a year or two. As the industry seems to be taking on 1000hr+ FI's there will be more jobs going. But they won't be advertised it will all be word of mouth or cold calls. And I know my old boss won't touch 50hrs+ instructing hours FI's with a barge pole, to much pain in the arse listening to "well at my last school we did it this way" "at my last school we couldn't send students solo in more than 15 knts" In fact the last instructor who got taken on had the job before he had even started his FI course.
Anyway this is the sort of stuff the career guy should be telling you at OAT. BUt then again they might not like the idea of one of there graduates flying a spam can.
Sorry for highjacking the thread a wee bit, but it really gets on my wick as a tight scotsman when marketing trys to pull the wool over customers eyes. The JAR system has changed everything and all that matters is the CPL/IR MCC at the end of the course. If OAT can't produce the goods with additional contacts to get your first foot on the ladder as far as i am concerned they havn't done what they have been payed for. And its really cheeky of them to try and use the customers that they have let down to gain information to support there marketing claims. When they had absoultly nothing to do with the pilot gaining employment.
MJ
And also the day my license came through the door, it was 5 mins between me signing it and my first flight as an instructor.
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Back to the original topic, interesting to note there is an advert in the jobs section of flight this week for an APP Graduate manager, or words to that effect. I'm sure they appointed one about 6 months ago, then he left and now they are advertising again.
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Bishkek and Addis Ababa.... well, maybe not because I would not know. However it IS a fact that many low hours FO's go straight from OATS and into say a 757 and then operate in to places like Girona, Heraklion, Samos (non handling) etc with the charters. All of which are challenging.
JarJam
I think you will find it does make a difference which school you went to. At least it does to people like CTC. And they hand out most of the jobs nowadays for their partner airlines...
From my point of view, I went to OATS in 99-00. I got all first time passes etc and was lucky enough to join jmc Airlines on the 757 (see above comments to The Commander) via CTC.
OATS in most of the world's opinion was struggling to maintain it's high standards then.
I cannot comment on them now.
All I would say is this: Do not rely on anyone else to help you get a job. Not Lofty, not anyone. Do your own homework and write letters and ring phones!
It amazes me quite frankly how poorly informed many people holding FATPL's are. The world will not come knocking. You really need to eat, sleep, p?ss, sh?t and f?ck aviation until you have enough hours in a two crew environment to not need to care anymore (usually one day before retirement).
It seems to me that here are jobs out there, it just means you have to hunt for them.
I cannot imagine why anyone would spend the best part of £75,000 on learning to fly and then think the hard work is done.
That said, good luck.
Bishkek and Addis Ababa.... well, maybe not because I would not know. However it IS a fact that many low hours FO's go straight from OATS and into say a 757 and then operate in to places like Girona, Heraklion, Samos (non handling) etc with the charters. All of which are challenging.
JarJam
I think you will find it does make a difference which school you went to. At least it does to people like CTC. And they hand out most of the jobs nowadays for their partner airlines...
From my point of view, I went to OATS in 99-00. I got all first time passes etc and was lucky enough to join jmc Airlines on the 757 (see above comments to The Commander) via CTC.
OATS in most of the world's opinion was struggling to maintain it's high standards then.
I cannot comment on them now.
All I would say is this: Do not rely on anyone else to help you get a job. Not Lofty, not anyone. Do your own homework and write letters and ring phones!
It amazes me quite frankly how poorly informed many people holding FATPL's are. The world will not come knocking. You really need to eat, sleep, p?ss, sh?t and f?ck aviation until you have enough hours in a two crew environment to not need to care anymore (usually one day before retirement).
It seems to me that here are jobs out there, it just means you have to hunt for them.
I cannot imagine why anyone would spend the best part of £75,000 on learning to fly and then think the hard work is done.
That said, good luck.
