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STAGE COACH DRIVER 1st July 2003 21:14

UK Crews at Atlas
 
Can anyone tell me if Atlas still employ UK crews on their 747s and if so who do you apply to for a job ?

Stability Jane 2nd July 2003 06:34

Hope they employ European crews too. A European wouldn't stand a chance of getting a flying job in the good US of A.

But then in Europe, even with JAA/JAR it's the same. Look at Spain. That's life.

SCD I will send you a message with a contact.

turbynetrip 5th July 2003 16:56

That's rich, Jane...a little bitter are we?

I've heard European accents at NWA, UAL, CAL, America West, Fedex, etc.etc.. not to mention nearly every regional.

I also know serveral corporate types that have green cards only.

We also have several European (among other regions of the planet) crewmembers at our US B747 operation.

This doesn't bother me in the slightest. They bring a lot of good skills and interesting personalities aboard. They play the seniority game like everyone else...

These sorts of comments always come up when things get tight in the job market...don't forget there are a lot of laid off people here in the US that might share your narrow view
about 'foreigners' flying for, in this case, US firms.

TT

TRF4EVR 13th July 2003 19:13

From what I've seen, it's a good deal easier for a European to get a job in the US than it is for a highly experienced US citizen to get a job in Europe. Pot, this is Kettle, you're black.

Nineiron 14th July 2003 13:57

Its not so much individuals as operators. How many foreign aircraft operate internally in the US? Do the N reg aircraft operating internally in Europe provide us with more jobs - or take our jobs?

The Sandman 14th July 2003 16:55

Nineiron:
Understand your position but what guys over here don't completely understand is that Europe is not "a country". It is a grouping of sovereign (though daily less so - about which the British press has loads to say) countries. The US is "a country". 4th Freedom & Cabotage conventions only apply between and within "countries", thus the current situation is entirely legal under international law.
Recently however, the EU has started to act more like a "country", having shifted air traffic deal-making authority from the individual member-states' transport ministers to the EC, in line with a European Court decision last November. This will take a year or 2 to take hold and begin to bite, but hopefully - for folks like you and me - will then begin to make a difference job-wise.

Intruder 14th July 2003 16:56

"How many foreign aircraft operate internally in the US? Do the N reg aircraft operating internally in Europe provide us with more jobs - or take our jobs?"

Many Mexican, Canadian, and US aircraft operate "internally" within North America.

AFAIK, no "N reg" aircraft operate internally within the UK, or within Germany, or within France...

STAGE COACH DRIVER 14th July 2003 18:49

Thanks for all the comments but can nobody answer my origonal question ?

CR2 14th July 2003 19:40

As far as I'm aware, UK crews are employed via GSS (Global Supply Systems). I don't work for Atlas, so don't have any further details.

Intruder 15th July 2003 07:14

"Can anyone tell me if Atlas still employ UK crews on their 747s and if so who do you apply to for a job ?"

Yes, Atlas still employs UK crews, both at their STN base and their US bases. Apply to the address/fax number on the web site at http://www.atlasair.com/aa/contact/careers/default.asp (however, they are not accepting Pilot or FE applications at this time).

GSS, though half owned by Atlas, hires separately from the Atlas operation.


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