UK Crews at Atlas
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From: Sunny Med
Hope they employ European crews too. A European wouldn't stand a chance of getting a flying job in the good US of A.
But then in Europe, even with JAA/JAR it's the same. Look at Spain. That's life.
SCD I will send you a message with a contact.
But then in Europe, even with JAA/JAR it's the same. Look at Spain. That's life.
SCD I will send you a message with a contact.
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From: California US
That's rich, Jane...a little bitter are we?
I've heard European accents at NWA, UAL, CAL, America West, Fedex, etc.etc.. not to mention nearly every regional.
I also know serveral corporate types that have green cards only.
We also have several European (among other regions of the planet) crewmembers at our US B747 operation.
This doesn't bother me in the slightest. They bring a lot of good skills and interesting personalities aboard. They play the seniority game like everyone else...
These sorts of comments always come up when things get tight in the job market...don't forget there are a lot of laid off people here in the US that might share your narrow view
about 'foreigners' flying for, in this case, US firms.
TT
I've heard European accents at NWA, UAL, CAL, America West, Fedex, etc.etc.. not to mention nearly every regional.
I also know serveral corporate types that have green cards only.
We also have several European (among other regions of the planet) crewmembers at our US B747 operation.
This doesn't bother me in the slightest. They bring a lot of good skills and interesting personalities aboard. They play the seniority game like everyone else...
These sorts of comments always come up when things get tight in the job market...don't forget there are a lot of laid off people here in the US that might share your narrow view
about 'foreigners' flying for, in this case, US firms.
TT
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Aviation Qualifications: Aircrew (non-pilot)
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From: Ireland
Its not so much individuals as operators. How many foreign aircraft operate internally in the US? Do the N reg aircraft operating internally in Europe provide us with more jobs - or take our jobs?
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From: eire
Nineiron:
Understand your position but what guys over here don't completely understand is that Europe is not "a country". It is a grouping of sovereign (though daily less so - about which the British press has loads to say) countries. The US is "a country". 4th Freedom & Cabotage conventions only apply between and within "countries", thus the current situation is entirely legal under international law.
Recently however, the EU has started to act more like a "country", having shifted air traffic deal-making authority from the individual member-states' transport ministers to the EC, in line with a European Court decision last November. This will take a year or 2 to take hold and begin to bite, but hopefully - for folks like you and me - will then begin to make a difference job-wise.
Understand your position but what guys over here don't completely understand is that Europe is not "a country". It is a grouping of sovereign (though daily less so - about which the British press has loads to say) countries. The US is "a country". 4th Freedom & Cabotage conventions only apply between and within "countries", thus the current situation is entirely legal under international law.
Recently however, the EU has started to act more like a "country", having shifted air traffic deal-making authority from the individual member-states' transport ministers to the EC, in line with a European Court decision last November. This will take a year or 2 to take hold and begin to bite, but hopefully - for folks like you and me - will then begin to make a difference job-wise.
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From: Seattle
"How many foreign aircraft operate internally in the US? Do the N reg aircraft operating internally in Europe provide us with more jobs - or take our jobs?"
Many Mexican, Canadian, and US aircraft operate "internally" within North America.
AFAIK, no "N reg" aircraft operate internally within the UK, or within Germany, or within France...
Many Mexican, Canadian, and US aircraft operate "internally" within North America.
AFAIK, no "N reg" aircraft operate internally within the UK, or within Germany, or within France...
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From: Seattle
"Can anyone tell me if Atlas still employ UK crews on their 747s and if so who do you apply to for a job ?"
Yes, Atlas still employs UK crews, both at their STN base and their US bases. Apply to the address/fax number on the web site at http://www.atlasair.com/aa/contact/careers/default.asp (however, they are not accepting Pilot or FE applications at this time).
GSS, though half owned by Atlas, hires separately from the Atlas operation.
Yes, Atlas still employs UK crews, both at their STN base and their US bases. Apply to the address/fax number on the web site at http://www.atlasair.com/aa/contact/careers/default.asp (however, they are not accepting Pilot or FE applications at this time).
GSS, though half owned by Atlas, hires separately from the Atlas operation.
