West Atlantic
 

Can anybody give me an idea on the salary including extra's like flight pay of a Captain on the B737. Thank you.

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An example of monthly gross pay with two day off payments. As most of the trips cross midnight day off payments usually come in pairs.

Thank you TFE731, that is very helpful.

You are never expected to work any extra days but most people do. For me, if an extra Stanstead-Edinburgh-Stanstead is on offer I can leave my house at 20:00, be back home by 03:00 and be £900 (less tax) richer.

The weekend situation is much better than it looks. A lot of the duties don't start until early Monday morning while others finish late on Friday. Also if you volunteer to do a slip-shift you work Thursday to Wednesday.

When you take 7 days of leave you don't fly for 21 days. Week off, week leave, week off and you can do that three times in a year. Also being cargo not passenger leave during school summer holidays is not usually a problem.

If you are an airline pilot, what is a 'weekend'??!! Many pilots that I know never have weekends off, especially during busy periods. The last two posters give the idea that the actual weekend situation is really quite good.

That equates to 203 days off / leave a year?. And I suspect most Saturdays are "rest" days. Sounds like PT almost

So you are not an airline pilot then? Most airline pilots do not know what a weekend is. (Other than that those are the days that they are most likely to be rostered to fly!)

Yes they have and they still need pilots. There is an OCC taking place these days and there will be more. Same thing for ASL Ireland.

Hi,

does anyone have a rough guestimate how long it takes to get command in West Atlantic, if you join as a B737 F/O with previous command experience on CRJ?

Thanks in advance.

Hi Limahotel,

Very hard to guestimate because it varies based on company expansion, prior experience, & performance. I joined as an FO with about 8000hr total and 5000hr in command of other jets. It took me 7 months from final line check as FO to final line check as Capt. However, I was lucky and the company was rapidly expanding at the time. At the moment I would guess the minimum is about a year.

Hope this helps.

Slim to none at the moment. The company is concentrating on FO upgrades to fill their Capt requirements, and at current demand that is sufficient. However this is aviation and by next week it all might have changed...

I heard new assessments coming up. Anyone got an invitation for a FO 737 position?

The 737 fleet of West Atlantic has its roots going back to Atlantic Airlines. Atlantic Airlines operated the Lockheed Electra and other old aircraft, and in many ways the spirit of Atlantic Airlines lives on. With that in mind I would expect any sim assessment to feature a considerable amount of raw data hand flying.
West Atlantic trips are six or seven days long and crew pairings normally stay the same for the whole week, so the interview is likely to focus on personality as well as the standard questions.

Would anyone be able to share a FO roster on the ATP based at EMA, either WOWO or 10/28 to give an idea of the schedule/ destinations on the fleet? Feel free to PM if you wish.
Many thanks in advance

Same here and still waiting for a response.

Nothing yet, Anyone else?

What did happen with the 737F in Marseille?

I have had no reaction on the october application whatsoever except for the confirmation mail. Now they have re-opened recruitment again for NTR FO's 737. How strange.

I'm in the same boat as you are!

Do you think west Atlantic will start recruiting low hour pilots that have just finished there training. I have noticed the FO job vacancies they have has no hour requirements.

The only way to know is to apply.

They have done it in the past and it is not likely they have a lot of experienced pilots lined up, especially not on turbo prop. If there is a time it is now! Mind you that it will take forever to gain hours at WA...

What is the average hours a FO fly annually?

Between 200 and 300 hours per year, I was told. Lots of short sectors, and short nights. Freight isn’t the best way of building hours and experience, I’m afraid.

Is EMA the only pilot base? I've seen WA 737s parked during the day at a few regional bases.

Day stops. They fly to their base or "focus" airports like Liège in the night.

Has anyone applied for the NTR FO position and heard anything back?

Thanks

I applied but haven't heard anything, but the applications haven't closed yet

EMA is the base for the 737. However, with week-on week-off there is no need to live close to EMA.

Define 'experience'?
...seems a good way of building very good experience.

Unless, of course, you are confusing 'hours' with 'experience'?

One could easily argue that a 500 hr regional turbo-prop pilot has a lot more experience than a 500 hr 'bucket and spade flights' A320 pilot.

Lots of ILS to ILS. That's been my experience so far. And weather during the night is also a bit more "friendly" than during the day.

Not necessarily. This wasn’t the debate I was getting into. I’m sure it’s great experience. Varied airports, quieter and more chilled ATC, plenty of chances to get the autopilot off and have a go. Not to mention a 737 rating, WOWO roster, and the ability to commute to EMA once a week.

But, it can be a slow way to get experience. Short sectors followed by long waits, some 2 sector days and done (I’m not complaining about that!). Granted, there are longer tours, and some are better than others. Then it’s a whole week off. As a new pilot, it could take you the best part of 5 years to unfreeze your ATPL. Quite slow burning for a new pilot who would fly 7 days a week if they could (I know I would have).

Possibly. The regional prop pilot will have probably done more sectors, turnarounds, take-offs, landings, and seen more dodgy weather up in the Scottish Islands than an Airbus pilot. So quality stick time, yes. Got the t-shirt for that one. Personally, I’d rather point my Airbus in the right direction for 3 hours, than do a 6 sector Sumburgh, but that’s for another day.

Unless West Atlantic is your end goal, 250 hours is not good for a low timer. I have been in night freight and it could take 10 years to get 2500 hours to be able to get a left seat or be interesting for another “better” airline. Sure, WOWO is great. But this job is more interesting for a DEC that is after lifestyle then it is for a 200hr CPL guy. In aviation anything can happen and believe me when I say it is better to be made redundant with 2000 hours A320/737NG then with 500 hours 737CL or ATP.
Positive though is the roster and the operation is dead simple. No stress whatsoever. I am not 100% sure but I believe the money is better with EAT/DHK/ASL and Star Air.