TNT Flight Ops
 

Hello,

Im doing a study on the TNT air network.

Could someone please provide info on which a/c go where, times and general info on the operations out of LGG.

Thanks

Here's somewhere to start from-

.:: TNT Airways ::.

But I'm sure there's plenty of more info availible from those who do or have worked directly/contracted for them. :)

Cheers for the assistance,

I was aware of TAY website, it was my first port of call. Any info on aircraft routes. Example, SNN,ORK and STN, are these direct to LGG or are there stop overs in MAN or LPL or EMA?

STN is direct (A300 from what i remember), SNN is now linked with DUB I think (on a 733 i think)
BFS is linked with EMA with an A300, EDI is direct 146, LPL 146 pretty sure thats all, CWL and MME have been dropped.

SNN/ORK is now dropped the only inbound to IE terminates @ DUB - they van the air exports to DUB daily where the driver overnights & picks up the inbound the following AM,it normally hits SNN/ORK @ approx 0915hrs. Other express carriers have approx 6 to 10 stops done before TNT get on the road these days.I can only assume that once business picks up then they will reinstate another leg in IE but I'm sure ORK has priced itself out of the freight market due to high fees.FedEx fly's CDG-ORK-SNN-ORK-CDG with minimal ground time in ORK.

Didnt know about ORK and SNN being dropped but i cant say im suprised. 4 aircraft serving a small island was a bit much.

Any tips on flight ops in Germany, Sweden, Norway and Denmark? please.

I'll have more info tomorrow but for now, Athens and Larnaca are together on a 733, Warsaw and Gdansk on a 146, there are loads more but what is on what I'm not sure.

If you download the flight schedules off the website it gives you everything you want to know...

I got the schedule last week. It didnt mention ORK or SNN drop. Any routes from OSL, STO SVG and Germany?

OSL is served with GOT, I think. The flight ops plan is on the TAY website. Not sure if the Road -Network is online, maybe someone in the know will have more info on that side of things.

2 of the 6 A300s already retired. I know one of them is already taped up and in the desert. Personally i think TNT 767s would be nice :)

Incidently with the advent of the 767-300F i think it has a greater capacity than the A300, 54 Tons rings in my head

Looks like A300's are all but gone now, OO-TZD left today for USA. Only Liege-East Midlands-Belfast left on an A300 now it would appear.
TNT have leased in a Gestair 757F to provide another 757 on the network.

Looks also like TNT is using a lot more icelandair again while keeping ABX

I just hope that TNT retain at least two A300's , even if only one route, (LGG - EMA - BFS), is earmarked for their exclusive use. Retaining only one of anything spells disaster. The TNT A300's are remarkably well maintained, but can still fall over on a regular basis, (as well as, admittedly, not even induce a minor defect for a whole fortnight!). Nobody has A300F's to lend "locally", and transfer of the load on to another a/c type always causes havoc and DELAY. The route in question was always "ring-fenced" where allocating a/c was concerned, as it was always deemed important that it ran, and with no DELAY.

There you are, just taught a whole class of grandmas to suck eggs. The coal-face and their immediate bosses know their jobs really well, but that's not to say the higher, more remote echelons of TNT do not need reminding of my opening gambit. Stranger, more illogical things have happened there, believe you me!

One aircraft in the fleet or two aircraft for just one short route is not very financially sound. I guess if they want to stick to A300 capacity they will soon get MNG or other Turkish operator.

TNT Flight Ops.
 

There used to be a time when TNT wanted to own all the aircraft used on its routes. The situation of having idle aircraft scattered round Europe all day sat easy with them, because then at least the aircraft would be available for the time-sensitive evening departures into the hub, rather than have some 3rd-party aircraft late back off a charter screw up the schedule. This situation still exists, but will be steadily undermined as further outsiders are let on board.
TNT like to be in OVERALL control of their operation and aircraft, a policy that has served them very well in the past.

Anyway TNT subcontrating all below-10t capacity.
And they can just get MNG or someone else to put aircraft dedicated for this route, still cheaper than running its own.

Jup, I'm afraid in the future there will be a lot more sub-contractors at TNT & DHL.

There should be a decent European regulation, that at least these sub-contractors are European companies... Instead of slashing our jobs & out-source them to the turks & Americans...

You mean just like TNT leasing their 744s and crews to Emirates or is it OK if things go in the opposite direction?

Good point well made.

But TNT only lease an aircraft to EK.

Mind you they sub-contract a lot of their 400 crews. Strange that EK don't just use they same people direct, should be cheaper. But what do I know.

Good luck to us all.:D

For the ones who are interested to know what happened to the A300´s of TNT. Yesterday I landed in KMHV Mojave Airport and saw 4 former TNT A300´s standing in the hot desert. Pitty

what other airlines does TNT lease out its -400F pilots to besides Emirates?

That's all I believe

TNT Airways sacks pilot-activist who drew attention to "aerotoxic syndrome"
 

According to a Dutch newspaper Kristof Van Gerven (35) a TNT pilot living in Genk (Belgium) was sacked by TNT Airways because he drew to much attention to what is taboo in the business "aerotoxic syndrome"!

In Dutch, "Planes are flying gass chambers..." http://www.hbvl.be/limburg/genk/het-zijn-vliegende-gaskamers.aspx

Google translation (beware for...):
Kristof Van Gerven 29/08 (35) from Genk was dismissed last week by courier company TNT Airways. There was no reason given, but perhaps he was put on the door because he was one of the few pilots a problem proposed that the airline industry for decades to suppress: that the air in most planes heavily polluted by highly toxic substances.

World suffer thousands of pilots, cabin crew and passengers on the so-called aero toxic syndrome, also known as the "asbestos of the air" mentioned. "Most appliances are flying gas chamber," Van Gerven.

He went in August 2000 as a pilot to work with TNT Airways Bierset. In 2003 he was the Dutch top photographer Anton Corbijn has Snapped at the cover of the annual report of TNT Airways, to adorn, but last week, the company made the pilot to the door. In the resignation letter gave no reason, but Van Gerven suspects that his long illness was the cause.

Asbestos Scandal of the air

In November 2007 the Limburger was forced to stop flying. Ill, by the polluted air on board the aircraft. Aero Toxic Syndrome, was the diagnosis. "This is a general term for health problems that you incur when your polluted air on board an aircraft have breathed," said Van Gerven.

"It affects everyone on board, pilots, cabin crew and passengers." The aviation industry remains silent about it for decades, but recently more and more articles appearing on what the "scandal of the Asbestos air 'painting.

In the 60s, the pure air through a compressor placed separately in the passenger cabin. Engineers have calculated that they could save weight and place when the air aftakten by the engine goes, the so-called bleed air system. "The idea is good in theory, to eventually follow, the inevitable leakage of oil in the combustion process correctly. This will organe phosphates in the air, including toxic and harmful TCP. "Frightening, because all aircraft in use today have some bleed air system. Only the latest Boeing 787 that will soon not start his career.

The toxic substances can cause problems in the short and long term. Short term symptoms are disorientation, tired eyes, irritated airways, breathing difficulties, coughing, vomiting, loss of balance, dizziness, tremor, blurred vision and headaches.

Lost consciousness

"In the beginning you think you are tired or cold and just keep working. So sometime I lost consciousness at the controls. Only when I start asking me questions and I soon noticed that I was not alone. Only attempt the sector - manufacturers and airlines - to conceal this. The fact is that most aircraft are flying gas chamber. Independent measurements have shown that the air on board is often heavily polluted. "Long-term exposure can lead to memory loss, acute diarrhea, respiratory problems, increased heart rate, hair loss, skin rashes, muscle pains, difficulty sleeping, increased sensitivity to chemicals and chronic fatigue. Van Gerven, whose sentences are constantly interrupted by coughing, suffering from most of these inconveniences. "I'm not the same. Previously I took part in triathlons, today I can not walk without my 100 meter air needs to happen. "

There is also a social drama. Thus, Van Gerven since November 2007 he was almost incapable of work have no money. "In the beginning I got unemployment, but fell away after six months. Now I get through a hole in the social legislation. No pay, no sickness and no unemployment benefits. To my resignation last week I received my monthly TNT Airways however loonbrief.Altijd same amount: 0 euro. "

Van Gerven flew above the BAe 146. The unit of British Aerospace manufacturer has a bad reputation in terms of air quality. "Most pilots or crew members have already become ill during flights of this type. "Currently there are more than 150 aircraft in use by the most famous airlines. TNT Airways has 14 copies still serve. Remarkable, because in its own bulletin in black and white that the high disease rate in the BAe 146 fleet is a major problem. And in the maintenance record is often reported problems with the oil. Van Gerven: "First I want to be known and solved problem. Even sick people every day without knowing the cause. More importantly, every day there are still risks. For the ignorant passengers. "

The probability is that Van Gerven his dream job can ever perform is nil. "My pilot training has cost 60,000 euros. But I will never fly an airplane. Why I retrained as a helicopter pilot. Such training also cost a fortune, around 90,000 euros, but if I can continue to fly without that I have to breathe polluted air. "

Roel Damian

TNT is operating two TNT owned 744ERF's for Emirates. They are not leasing crews to Emirates. They are, so far, on a 10 year contract.

Can anyone decode the 14Z, 14Y, and 14Q equipment codes on the schedule? I assume they are referring to 146-200QT, -200QC, and -300QT, but which is which?

MTIA
Stefano

Spagiola,

Try The Airline Codes Website. It should answer all your questions.

RT

One Outsider:

I think your info slight inaccurate, so for the record only:

OO-THA & THB in Orange colours are owned by TNT, operated by TNT.
THB on wet lease to EK till recently, now back with TNT fully.

OO-THC & THD are owned by AirCastle, previous Guggenheim, dry leased to EK, and sub-leased to TNT, so that the TNT crews can operate them on EK's behalf - in EK livery also.

THC & THD regularly swap in and out with THA/THB to operate both EK & TNT services depending on operation needs & maintenance. So you will see THC in EK logo / colours at LGG/SIN/PVG operating as 3V...

And all along side EK's B777F and Atlas B744F - also in mix of (EK & 5Y) liveries

It does for 14Y and 14Z, but not for 14Q

I'm guessing 14Q is for TNT's two 146QCs, but it would be good to have confirmation.

located
 

Here they are, see fleet tab, also see them in 'real time' live web cam....

.:: TNT Airways : Liège Live Cam ::.

tayme tigers ;)

All 4 744 are in LGG today ... quite rare, I'm not sure what's happening, but it means TNT can use them when needed.

Very Positive, I like that.

And not OMG they have lost the contract.:E

Is TNT still recuiting pilots?