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SMOC 5th March 2008 20:12

So is she still employed?

spannersatcx 6th March 2008 08:10

yes 6 weeks has been quoted, this is due to the fact there are no spare nose/fan cowls, which I'm told will take 2 weeks to repair in Singapore, so they have to be removed, sent, repaired, shipped back and refitted.

Fr8t M8te 6th March 2008 08:14


6 weeks to repair, surely not?!!
It's all part of a cunning plot to solve the KA crewing problem on the 400F...

:}:}:}

ka500 6th March 2008 15:41

If She gets the sack, you will find the rest of the line pilots reducing their own crosswind limits down to 5 or 10 kts- Why risk any more?

Tediek 6th March 2008 19:33

Maybe i missed something in reading, but did she slam that hard onto the runway that due to the wingflex the pods it the runway?

Fly Borat 7th March 2008 09:25

Female chinese Captain!
 
Just for info. The captain was a chinese female, married to somebody in the KA trainings department. According to some KA F/O's who flew with her on the Airbus she was quite afraid of bad wx conditions and reportably unconfortable on the 400, looking to go back on the airbus.
My guess she won't be transfering to CX freighters!
The LH Airbus 320 in Hamburg was a female driver too!:eek:.

T3HUY 7th March 2008 12:12

Flight Crew Named
 
The crew have been named today as....

Captain Wan Win Lowe
First officer Wat Wen Wong
Flight Engineer Foo King El

MAN777 7th March 2008 12:34

When landing at MAN the day after the incident, I noticed a nice set of 747 tyre tracks, they were well left of the normal rubber marks and at about 30 degrees to the centreline, I presume this is the impact ! / touchdown point for B-KAG ??

forget 7th March 2008 12:39

I still can't picture how you can get a strike on an inboard engine. :confused:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/747.jpg

MAN777 7th March 2008 12:48

Great shot !

No weight on the landing gear at this point is there ?

So add a heavy landing combined with wing down and Manchesters cobbled runway, I think its possible :)

EMIT 7th March 2008 13:05

Names
 
T3huy:

Blilliant!!

A. Le Rhone 7th March 2008 19:09

...brilliant? If you're six years old.

Borat you buffoon. 'Just for info'.

I see all the smart-a*se, armchair-experts out in force now with a bit of smug racism thrown in for good measure. I assume you are wannabe (PPL's) as nobody who's ever been in this situation, flown in HK typhoons or battled a heavy 74 in max x-wind would ever be as arrogant as to post in this manner.

PPRune. The 'P' bit stands for 'Professional'

Anotherflapoperator 7th March 2008 19:26

......professional? A bit non PC perhaps, but not bad. The big thing about max crosswind gusting conditions is that if your little ring tightens too much, GO AROUND and find somewhere else to land. The need to save face and get it down on your intended runway has cost many a life in this industry over the years. It's just not worth it. Ever.

What was the wind like in AMS at the time, I wonder?

dragon501 7th March 2008 20:22

Hi -f@ckin-larious

:}:}:}

Foo King El.........

Nothing to do with racism just HUMOUR

buggaluggs 7th March 2008 21:48

there but for the grace.......
 
Spanners

Just out of interest, from an engineering point of view what checks are required of the rest of the wing/strut/pod structure after an pod strike incident like this? There must be huge stresses placed on the wing to strut and strut to pod fittings. Although Boeing builds em good, there must be a point beyond which it's becomes a lot more involved than just a bit of panel beating? :O

Buggs

nomorecatering 7th March 2008 23:42

As an instructor with over 1000 hrs training Chineese airline cadets. it does not surprise me in the least. They have an attitude to flying that simply horrifies me, unfortunately it doesnt change when they get onto the jets.

Airmanship is a concept that they just cannot under stand, and they dont want to understand.......to put it bluntly.

Racism?........no, just the way it is and nothing is going to change it ever.

B-HUE 8th March 2008 02:18

You are 100% correct, its nothing to do with Racism its just a very different way of thinking... lets face it many here in Hong Kong can't master walking in a straight line or get confused when other drivers flash their lights at them for doing 40kph in the fastlane :ugh: ....... So you have to expect the western and Asian flying culture to be .... different.

Captain Airclues 8th March 2008 04:15

forget

Draw your line with a small nose-down attitude (compressed nose-wheel) and you will see a very different picture.

Airclues

forget 8th March 2008 10:11

Inboard engine strike? Well it can happen, because it did happen. Needs a bit of work to achieve it though. A serious Rate of Descent on touch-down to compress a lot of oleos, plus a ‘Bad Attitude’.

What’s the normal deck angle on a 747 approach, 12 degrees? But, if you work at it, you can still land a 747 nose wheel first. BA showed me one night at Perth. I was ready for it as we’d been strangely nose down throughout the approach – the rest of the punters weren’t - and were very surprised when ceiling panels came down around their ears as the main gear hit.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...as/1325178.jpg

T3HUY 8th March 2008 10:47

Those of you that think I was just having a pop at the Chinese, I nearly forgot to mention the repairs will be carried out under the supervision of Manchester based engineer Arthur Bleedin Cowlingon.


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