Those figures are bebore or after tax???
 

Today, I have received an email from Aerologic.
My main concern is about taxes.
Because it nothing says about it.
Only Annual Salary figures. They only mentioned free taxes for the perdiem. So I am guessing those Annual Salaries are before taxes.

They also not say a clue about pension, medical, etc.

If it is before tax my figures are:

average annual salary for FOs gross: E 71,250
Taxes (30%????): E 21,375
Net Salary: E 50,000

No mention bonus or nothing extra, that means:
E50,000 / 13 salaries = E 3846 = U$D 5960

This is not so good for buying a ticket from Asia or the sandpipe to
Leipzig.


Terms & Conditions

Seems there is a rise in the Commander scale. Is the basic still 110.000? :confused:
What about type rated F/Os?
I think 154.000 for DEC is not too bad for a german airline!

And Guys
there is a part of your salary tax free (15-20%).The rest has to be taxed.
So if you are married with kids you pay round about 30 % tax and social
insurance.This includes also medical insurance,loss of Job (Arbeitslosengeld) and goverment pension.
I dont think that any Middle East or far East Airline offer you a better deal
(Dollar/Euro).
It all depend of what you want and what you like for your family.
But this is once of the better jobs in Germany.
Maybe you make 500 to 1000 Euros more in the sandpitt or far east, but remember do you have there the same rights as in Germany or Europe or
the same social security.
Just think about it.
:sad:

Ok for those who obviously don’t have the time to read a bit more in this thread I did some calculations again based on the updated figures, yes they increased some.

As the tax system is very complicated those figures might be not correct, but at least should show what to expect to be put into your bank account at the end of the month.

Calculation is based on a single, no kids, assuming that 16,3% of the gross salary each month are paid out tax/social contribution free, to cover working on weekends, legal holidays and during nighttime, standard health insurance (to change to a private health insurance scheme you will have to be above the cap limit of €48.150,00 per year for the last 3 consecutive years). I don’t know how this would be dealt with if you come to Germany from abroad. Based on 12 monthly salaries as nothing is mentioned about a 13th month salary.

Captains:
€110.000,00 gross per year = €9.166,67 gross per month = €5714,11 net per month
€159.000,00 gross per year = €13.250,00 gross per month = €8282,98 net per month

Direct Entry Captain
Type Rated B777 and TRI/E on B777:
€156.500 gross per year = €13.041,67 gross per month = €8.151,93 net per month

Type Rated B777:
€154.000,00 gross per year = €12.833,34 gross per month = €8.020,88 net per month

Wide Body Commander and TRI/E:
€154.000,00 gross per year = € 12.833,34 gross per month = €8.020,88 net per month

Wide Body Commander:
€151.500,00 gross per year = €12.625,00 gross per month = €7.889,82 net per month


First Officer:
€52.000,00 gross per year = €4.333,33 gross per month = €2.653,16 net per month
€90.000,00 gross per year = €7.500,00 gross per month = €4665,57 net per month

First Officer designated for accelerated Command:
€85.000 gross per year = €7.083,34 gross per month = €4.403,38 net per month


Second Officer:
€45.000,00 gross per year = €3.750,00 gross per month = €2.317,01 net per month
€50.000,00 gross per year = €4.166,67 gross per month = €2.558.46 net per month


Per diem:
If you assume for a typical German “old” standard contract 42 days of vacation per year, 10 off days at home base per months, I come up to about €720,00 per month “largely” tax free, assuming 15 duty days a month, however this seems to be on the high side to me.

Make your own assumption, if these figures are good or bad or good or bad in particular for German standards!

Again, figures are only rough assumptions and can not be guaranteed as I am not a tax advisor.

I think it's a bit strange that an upgraded F/O gets the basic 110k, and a DEC gets 154k or 157k (with rating) upon beginning. Is this really fair?
With 110k you have to work almost 20 years to get to the 159k!!! :=

To Cosmiccomet:

- It`s BEFORE tax ! :{

To Boeingbuddy:

-You have the same rights in Germany/Europe as in Dubai or anywhere else in the world , if the outfit goes belly up ! NIL :{

To Longranger777:

-Hit it. You see 159k in 20 years. So no one of the DEC`s is gonna see it anyway !:{

To Boxshifter:

-Extremly close to the naked truth !:ok:

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Never ever!:\

Everyone rejects Aerologic and the possibility to work there, but why do they still get drowned in applications of rated guys from Mideast?

They discussion here is misleaded, if only pointing to the net salaries, which indeed is difficult to calculate.
Don´t forget - the taxes in Germany might be high nominally, but they´re much lower, considering the actual taxes, paid at the end of the year and the reimbursed taxes after making the annual tax consolidation (Einkommensteuererklärung).
With all legal measures even a good earning commander will have an effective tax rate of less than 30%, and overall deductions of max ~45%.

Beyond that, for those, interested in living in Leipzig or it´s vicinity, life there is among the cheapest in Europe, forget DXB-like inflation, doubling your supermarket bill each year, to get a wonderful Art Nouveau Flat of 100sqmeters will cost you less than 800€, with parks nearby, uncensored culture of its best as well as all the basic human rights, any expat in DXB is dreaming of.
No fears of anyone, listening to your phone calls, no internetsites blocked, no company, showing you each day, that you´re just a tolerated expat, ´cause they need you. And for the singles among you - nice and beautiful girls!!
Many things, which can´t be expressed in money.....

The diskussion is absolutly useless, most guys here dont have a JAR licence or the right to work in the EU, anyway around 9 CPT, some TRI/TRE have already resigned from LTU and will be joining Aerologic, some more to come plus F/Os some with enough experiance to start the command course soon.
So Aerologic will be fine, just keep talking, it wont change a thing.

guess you are one of them who did not get an invitation for interview.....if you don't like it, why bother?

@tom744, dont know who you mean, but I did not even apply to Aerologic.

@EAM,
sorry for fingertrouble,
I intended to adress Angel's playmate....

@Memphis Belle
absolutely right...

about net salary in Germany it's difficult; no it's impossible to make a general statement but in my case, with my applicable deductions (assuming 151,5 k p.a. as a DEC) I earn more than I do now in one of the best expad contracts in Asia thanks to the low US-dollar.
Well, that might change with time, but who knows?
Everybody needs to do his own maths.
If you probably got 1 or 2 kids, married and own a property in Germany you might be better off with Aerologic, as a single and no kids be prepared to pay 40% - 45% income tax.:ouch:

I've heard that DHL are interviewing in East Midlands next week for Leipzig based First Officers. Is this for aerologic or are DHL basing a UK reg'd 75 over there?

757, lots of jobs for F/O's but based LEJ :\

Assuming not commutable then? Don't know much about the DHL setup and interaction between UK and Brussels but do you have you any idea why they interviewing UK based pilots for that. Shirley no one is going to want to go to Leipzig. Whats the roster like?

tom 744 you are right.Looking forward to see you back in Germany.

People do want to go to Leipzig.

And don't call me Shirley.

(Sorry, couldn't resist!) :}

I knew someone had to bite, couldn't resist teeing it up either!!! Didn't mean my comment (re Leipzig) to be disrespectful in any way, it's one of the few places i havn't been with my current employer and looks nice. Was just wondering why DHL are interviewing in East Midlands for F/O positions based Leipzig though? I know this is a bit of topic but any idea's of F/O roster pattern, routes. Also is it UK contract and tax with possibility of moving back to East Mids?. (Sorry Aerologicerererers won't take long and we'll be back on topic!!!)

smeagal

there is a distinct lack of German National copilots applying, i think the pilot market is different to the UK, although i stand to be corrected. The current offering is £ with UK tax. Rosters I can't comment on, and moving back to EMA is a possibility in the short - medium - long term, depends when you come in, what happens tommorrow, the price of fish etc.
And finally when you make Command, guess where you'll be based. :\

Not surprising to hear about the lack of German takers.

Folk need to know exactly where they stand with regard to salaries and tax. The city gurus seem fairly convinced the £ will sink by another 20% against an already strong Euro. This makes the UK a very attractive cost centre for the parent company but the downside is that it will prove troublesome to those UK salary earners trying to juggle day to day living expenditure in Europe.