Salary Time on and Off
 

This forum has been quiet for some time.

Those of you who have been for interview.
Would you please enlighten us about what they are offering in salary for Captains and First Officers as wll as time off and on.

Pension program etc.

For those of you asking for JAR or non JAR license.
Germany is a very strict country with rules.
I find it very hard to belive that they will accept anyone who does not have the right to live and work in europe nor with a JAR license while they can find pilots in europe

The same applies with Europens wanting to work in U.S.A, Canada, Austrlia, South Africa and many other countries.

However if they cannot find pilots in europe (very unlikely) they might issue a validation for 6-12 months in the meantime that indivitual should optain him or herself a EASA license. However if a European with the proper documentation applies for the position the company will have to make space for him and the one with exemption will have to give way.

It seems however that there will not be any validations once EASA has been fully implemented. Each issuing country will be responsible issuing licenses. However if they break the rules there will be a heavy fine for each case.

Any News?
 

Hi all,

anyone who already did the screening for Aerologic? Or will they start them in the comming months?
Would be nice to fly a 777 out of Germany...

Greetings,

flyneo

They´re drowned in applications, especially from Asia and M/E (EK) with a lot of heavily experienced and rated pilots.

So forget the requirements, published on their website, they´re just there for formal reasons and should be ignored.

Guess, the T&Cs will be weighted out vs. the overwhelming number of suitable and willing applicants, and as they´re are countless from above mentioned regions, who desperately want to get back to Europe, don´t expect too much.

Close to that, affirm.
Anyway, living in Germany, you´re closer to those facts, as the community is small...

One thing is evident from the outset:
T&Cs will be less attractive than those of LCAG. That’s one of the reasons for founding a subsidiary instead of expanding.
It will be decisive for T&Cs which concessions for working in Europe pilots are willing to accept.
Hope this won’t turn out to be another case of decline in aviation.

screening started 1st week of March but T&Cs not jet published.

Terms & Conditions
 

Hi folks,

to stop the rumours some facts as told during the final interview last week:

F/O base salary: 45000 €
F/O top salary: 90000 €
17 grades, increase by 2500€/year
20000 € increase after upgrade
experienced F/Os with wide body hours will be hired at 75000 €.

CPT base salary: 110000 €
CPT top salary: 157000 €

Per Diem according to Germany law 6 - 150 €/day depending on destination.

This salary shall cover all. There is no pension fond, no Loss-of-Licence, no staff travel, nothing else.

The screening and the tests were absolutely fair and require no special preparations.

The final interview was held in german. Also some of the test were in german. So it is wasting time and money to apply without a good working knowledge of the German language.

Good luck to everybody still interested.

Appreciate the feedback willibald!

Thanks
 

Hi Willibald check your PM´s and many thanks for the update !

Safe flight !

flyneo

very attractive pay for a 777 (NOT)

Neil

:eek: :} :ok:
That's it !

What would be an attractive pay for a 777 in Germany? :confused:

And taxed according to german law ?

Neil
You'll have to stay put then, don't worry I love you even though your a f$$king nomad! :\

Of course taxed according german law :bored:

Did a bit of calculation and figured out some rough estimates of net figures. As the tax system in Germany is very complicated, known as the probably most complex one in the world, those figures might be not correct, but at least should show what to expect to be put into your bank account at the end of the month.

Calculations are based on a single, no kids, assuming that 16,3% of the gross salary each month are paid out tax/social contribution free, to cover working on weekends, legal holidays and during nighttime, standard health insurance. To change to a private health insurance scheme you will have to be above the cap limit of €48.150,-- gross per year for the last 3 consecutive years before changing. I don’t know how this would be dealt with if you come to Germany from abroad. I also assume 12 monthly salaries, as nothing was mentioned re. a 13th month.

FO base: €45.000,-- gross per year or €3.750,-- gross per month
€2.315,-- net per month

FO top: €90.000,-- gross per year or €7.500,-- gross per month
€4.663,-- net per month

FO with widebody experience €75.000,-- gross per year or €6.250,-- gross per month
€3.876,-- net per month



Captain base: €110.000,-- gross per year or €9166,-- gross per month
€5.711,-- net per month

Captain top: €157.000,-- gross per year or €13.083,-- gross per month
€8.175,-- net per month


There should be a lot of variation due to the complexity of the tax system and in turn the above figures might be wrong. If you a married and/or have kids you get of course net more than that.

Also keep in mind that every additional benefit you would receive, e.g. ID tickets or a free breakfast while on layover, have to be taxed, meaning you will pay tax on it as it is treated as a benefit or a form of salary.

Regarding the 16,3% tax free part, it used to be the case that in a month you don’t fly at all or even only partly, because of sick leave or vacation, the amount can be reduced pro rated for the time you don’t be available for duty. However to receive the 16,3% tax free allowance this has to be agreed up on between the employer and the local tax authorities.

For those not familiar with pay figures on aircraft like a B777 keep in mind you will certainly generate a lot of revenue and net income for a company. It’s not a B737 or an A320!

I know pay is not everything, but what kind of rostering can you expect? How are the hotels? Expect a lot of time away from base and home, so hotels are your second home and should provide a decent standard.


Again, my calculations might be totally wrong. I am not a tax adviser! You can find some tools on the web that I used e.g. nettolohnrechner

Thank you, Boxshifter! That was very informative.

That salary seems really "peanuts", bearing in mind no ID-tickets and no lol-insurance or pension benefits.
Working for a standard lo-co will get you almost the same kind of income.

Boxshifter
 

I asked a tax adviser mate to do the numbers. You're within 4% of his numbers. Good job.

This is not true, as soon as you are over you can change into a private insurance, also when you come from abroad (was my case).

I dont see any tax reduction for night and sunday work on your calculation, this would increase the salary by about 500-800€ I would say, depends how they do it.

But after all, not very much compared to intern. salary.......BUT......the best package in germany after LH......yes, belive it.....I would say its time for a little ....oooohhhhhhh:(.

When I joined LTU with around 7000h and rated on A320/A330 my gross was around 50K, so here its 25K more!!!

Thats why I dont work in germany any more.

EHAM, if you would be so kind and read all what I have written, then you would certainly see that the 16,3% tax and social contribution excempted part of the salary cover working during nights as well as on sundays and legal holidays. So no additional benefits in respect to this. That's the reason for this excemption.

LTU may have a different scheme, however the 16,3% at least used to be kind of a standard when I was flying at home. Also the figurs are only assumptions as I don't know if they can or will arrange the 16,3% excemption with the tax office or not.

Good to hear that you could join the private health insurance scheme when you come from abroad. However the law might have changed since than in this particular case. The law governing health insucrance was changed a couple of timex in the recent years and, rest assured, will be changed again in the future. Most likely in a way to keep people in the state run health insurance system.

If you can change to a private health insurance, you will be able to save a couple of hundred Euros. However this wont make it a good deal either.

LTU used to be one of the good outfits years ago before SR took over. It used to be the number one job for lots of pilots outside of LH. This changed but this is not a reason to pay peanuts, even for todays German standards!

They will find pilots, but possible not of the experience level they are looking right now.

Have a look a Jade Cargo and what's happening there. They were up for the same and failed badly. Aicraft sitting on the ground don't make a cent, they cost more than a handfull of Euros.