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Sleeping Freight Dog 15th January 2010 01:37

I was talking to some of the Sands Tristar Captains. The planes are not for sale, they are being short termed stored at RAZ until needed for a flight.
Apparently the ramp fees are very reasonable there. Also one of the Captains said that he had ferried the 2nd aircraft recently, the one in Saudi colors. This looks like it might be getting ready to get its gloss over.

411A 15th January 2010 01:42


I'm wondering if the DL -250's are viable then. Worth cutting a door in them for freight?
Negative, too expensive.
I fly a -250 now (two actually)...very nice airplanes.
Pax only.

glhcarl 15th January 2010 01:47


Engines on the -250 model are the same as on the -500. IE: RB.211-524B402.

The RB.211-524B402 can also be installed on the -200's.


However, -524B402 engines can be installed, but...the number two position requires mods to the titanium ring.
When installing the -524B4 in the No. 2 position no modification to the titanium ring (?) is required. However, the the "inlet adapter cone" of the S-Duct requires modification.

Is that an ex-BA example in the near background that i see ?
s/n 193N-1182 a -200F, ex-BA (G-BGBC), American International and Kitty Hawk (N107CK).

Are the -100's, -200's, or 250's viable for service anymore or is engine support dead except for the -500's now?
Rolls Royce still maintains the RB.211-524's that power the -200's, -250's and -500's.

I'm wondering if the DL -250's are viable then. Worth cutting a door in them for freight?
Only 5 of the 6 -250's still exist. If you have about 14 million that you are not using I am sure Marshall will be happy to speak to you about adding the cargo door.

411A 15th January 2010 15:20


Only one 'Titanium Ring' on the 'Tristar-asaurus' Rex that I know of.....
Would that be the "inlet adapter cone" referenced earlier, which is made of titanium and is generally circular...or, another one?:}

For reference, these are available ex-VCV from scrapped -500 aircraft, however....they ain't cheap, presently.
The L1011 is a very reliable aircraft, IF operated and maintained by folks who know how.
In the last five years, I have had nil flights delayed for other than traffic/ATC reasons....except for two deflated tires, that was caused by FOD...bits from an Airboos:eek:, as it turned out.

glhcarl 15th January 2010 15:33


Would that be the "inlet adapter cone" referenced earlier, which is made of titanium and is generally circular...or, another one?http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/badteeth.gif

Sorry but the inlet adapter cone is made from aluminum, just like the rest of the "S-Duct".

411A 15th January 2010 16:57


Sorry but the inlet adapter cone is made from aluminum, just like the rest of the "S-Duct".
Nevertheless, it is required to be modified/changed for the fitment of -524B402 engines on those aircraft not so equipped from the factory.
Many man-hours required, at considerable cost.
IE: not viable...except for certain operators (Orbital Science, for example).

glhcarl 15th January 2010 19:47


Many man-hours required, at considerable cost.

The major expense when installing the -524B4 engines (other than the engines) is replacing the stainless steel ECS ducts with titanium ducts.

411A 15th January 2010 20:27


PM me if you can help - Thanks
Send detailed info about yourself if you are truly interested, via PM and I will see what I can do.
PS
Be prepared to pay, big time, as gen decs, via our handling agents, are pricey.
Otherwise, you are most welcome.

ferrydude 27th January 2010 08:05

AHM Hangar - L-1011 Journal

Stratofreighter 31st January 2010 16:51

And she is "at home" now... :)
AHM Hangar - Movies - Elle's Arrival in KansasCity .
For pre-flight engine tests and taxi trials, see
AHM Hangar - Movies - L-1011 Engine Start, Run Up and Taxiing inRoswell .
Yes, you can certainly hear the well-loved "rumble" on start-up!

boguing 31st January 2010 17:55

Just out of interest, what would the 1:200 scale metal model given to suppliers be worth these days? Wondering if it should be notified on house contents insurance?

Dad was Chief Engineer on the RB at Rolls Royce.

Nom De Guerre 1st February 2010 12:40

Prison bosses forced to pay damages to jailed paedophile over tootache - The Daily Record

Happiness wasn't a warm.... :hmm:


Prison bosses forced to pay damages to jailed paedophile over tootache

Dec 13 2009 Charlie Gall, Sunday Mail

A SEX beast has won a cash payout from prison bosses who couldn't find a dentist to treat his toothache.

Paedophile Neil Robertson launched the compensation claim from his cell in Peterhead Prison, it emerged yesterday.

He blamed prison chiefs for failing to find an NHS dentist to treat his toothache and sued the Scottish Prison Service over a delay in treatment.

He has now received an out-of-court settlement.

Robertson, 44, from Ayrshire, was jailed for life in 2003 for abusing a seven-year-old girl.

He met the girl's mother through an internet chat room and wormed his way into her affections by pretending he had been a pilot, a businessman and qualified psychologist.

He quickly turned his attention to the youngster and within weeks he was taking photographs of himself abusing the girl.

Robertson was described by the judge at his trial in Dunfermline, as a "dangerous psychopath" with a 20-year interest in young girls.

The payout has been agreed at a time when Aberdeenshire has one of the longest UK waiting lists of people seeking an NHS dentist.

Furious Lesley Wood, 22, a nursery assistant from Aberdeen, has been without an NHS dentist for six years.

She condemned the payout, saying: "It's totally out of order. People are paying for emergency treatment and he's getting our money. All his teeth should be ripped out after what he did."

Shadow justice spokesman and north-east Labour MSP Richard Baker described the settlement as "extraordinary".

He said: "This is public money and people rightly find compensation payments to prisoners offensive. It is a sad irony that many people have problems getting access to dental treatment but now this prisoner has sought compensation for dental pain.

"Prison authorities need to take every step they can to stop prisoners being able to sue for compensation. The Scottish Government should also take further action."

Kincardine and West Aberdeenshire MSP Mike Rumbles said the public would be outraged at seeing a sex offender compensated.

He said: "The dental crisis in the north-east is the worst in the country. It affects everyone and I'm not surprised the prison service failed to find access to an NHS dentist."

A prisons spokesman refused to disclose how much was paid but did say: "I can confirm that a prisoner in HMP Peterhead has been given an out-of-court settlement for a failure by SPS to provide appropriate dental treatment."

CR2 2nd February 2010 20:48

The post above by NdG refers to our own "Guv" for those that remember :suspect:

camilo1 3rd February 2010 16:21

Isn`t "Guv" the guy who supposedly was going to buy the delta L-1011 fleet in VCV and start a new airline in Europe?.

If it is him, yes I remember.

:yuk:

Raffles 3rd February 2010 17:53

Indeed he talked a good job & convinced many people to actually part with cash!! A couple of mates in Engineering were going to survey the aircraft until told to pay & claim back all expenses on return!!! I think there was also a Flight Engineer that was promised the world by "The Govner"..

Rabbler 23rd March 2010 10:38

engine failure forced it to land in Manston..2002
 
Just caught up on this thread, as I was looking for information about the remaining TriStar fleet. This comment caught my attention.

'Duane Egli tried to convert ex LTU TriStar D-AERP in the same way. It sat on the ramp at Ostend forever, stripped of an interior. LWA Engineers tried to install some sort of bulkhead using H-beams from a local DIY-store, painted zinc-chromate green to give it an aviation appearance. It left somewhere in 2002 to be scrapped in Opa Locka, not before an engine failure forced it to land in Manston... I guess these "converted" pax aircraft just don't make it as decent freighters'.

It was not the freight 'conversion' that caused the engine failure, but leaving the aircraft parked in Ostend for a long time with little or no engine preservation procedures. This will always be a problem for A/C that are parked up (or abandoned) for a long time with no preservation of the engines.

J31 MAN 24th March 2010 09:58

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.co...?news_id=95853

JACDEC - Current News


Engine fire on a Bangladeshi freighter.

Markus1011 12th December 2015 22:52

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/42360-jordans-barq-aviation-takes-redelivery-of-tristars

Seems like Mr. Mughrabi is back in buisness ...

CS-TMX 13th December 2015 15:46


Barq Aviation (BUR, Amman Queen Alia) has taken redelivery of its trio of Lockheed Tristars following their return from South America where they were supposed to operate for Transportes Generales Aéreos (Lima Int'l) in Peru.
Does anyone confirm these aircraft were really in South America? I thought they stayed all the time in RKT.

Markus1011 13th December 2015 22:06


Originally Posted by CS-TMX (Post 9209376)
Does anyone confirm these aircraft were really in South America? I thought they stayed all the time in RKT.

These aircraft havenīt been in Peru. They have been all the time in RKT. They just have been re-registered in Peru. As far as I know, the peruvian Regīs have been OB-2049-P and OB-2061-P.

CS-TMX 13th December 2015 23:00

According to an email I got in December 2013:


193B-1230 L1011-100 OB-2049-P Stored at RKT
293A-1238 L1011-500 OB-2060-P Stored at RKT
293A-1220 L1011-500 OB-2061-P Stored at RKT

all for Transaer Rasa

Markus1011 14th December 2015 07:16

TriStar500.net Blog: Barq Aviation - redelivery of TriStars?


In the a.m. Article is also mentioned that the 1011īs have never been to Peru since the re-Registration ...

N707ZS 14th December 2015 16:54

Anyone know what's happening at Bruntingthorpe with the ex RAF l1011s ?

mark1484 18th December 2015 18:46

Were they not bought by a private company with the idea of operating them on behalf of various western air forces? I seem to remember talk about them in early 2015, but seems to of gone quiet since.

Apart from the Orbital L1011 are there any others active?

Saudi?

Sands?

Barq?

Tristar Preservation?

MELDreamer 22nd December 2015 10:49


Apart from the Orbital L1011 are there any others active?
Saudi? No
Sands? No
Barq? See previous posts
Tristar Preservation? I believe this is still at Victorville being prepared for ferry to Kansas City. Whether it remains 'active' after that, I don't know.

wanabee777 22nd December 2015 10:54

Great airplane!

But, from what I've heard, very expensive and labor intense to maintain.

bcgallacher 23rd December 2015 11:46

Wannabe 777 - you are not wrong about being labour intensive I maintained Tristar and 747 together for more than 20 years. I needed about 30% more manpower on Tristars than 747. It was a weird mix of advanced and primitive technology. A lovely aeroplane to fly in,loved by its pilots but I found it a pain in the arse to keep flying.

MELDreamer 4th January 2016 16:47

News of the
 
L1011-100 c/n 1064 was registered on 31Dec2015 to Tristar History and Preservation Inc as N910TE.
This is the ex-Operation Blessings Flying Hospital P4-MED that has been parked at Tuscon AZ for some time.
Whether it is for spare parts or going to be ferried to Kansas City, only time will tell.

mark1484 6th January 2016 12:18

I think it would need a lot of time and money spent on it to get her back to even ferry flight standards.

Amadis of Gaul 7th January 2016 14:45

I had a question about the one that's sitting at Wheeler. Is that the same airplane that was flown up there amid much fanfare only to be disassembled (as it appears to be)?

Markus1011 28th January 2016 15:06

MSN 1242, HR-AVN, ex RollingAir / Privilege ....
 
According to flightradar24 flight tracking:


Last saturday ( Jan, 23th ) L-1011-500, MSN 1242, Ex-RollinsAir, last known Reg. HR-AVN, stored at LaCeiba / Honduras since 2010 has landed at about 18.55 at Abuja Intl. Airport / Nigeria ??


Does anyone here have any information about the flight or a new owner or ....

JW411 28th January 2016 17:08

Dear God. Has 411A come back from the grave?

ifonly 29th January 2016 08:03


According to flightradar24 flight tracking:


Last saturday ( Jan, 23th ) L-1011-500, MSN 1242, Ex-RollinsAir, last known Reg. HR-AVN, stored at LaCeiba / Honduras since 2010 has landed at about 18.55 at Abuja Intl. Airport / Nigeria ??
NO - according to FR24 an aircraft using the Mode S code of 06C004 landed at Abuja. That code was probably once assigned to HR-AVN, but if you watch the replay it is actually B737 TL-TSM that is using the code and lands at Abuja.

Markus1011 29th January 2016 12:10

@ ifonly


Thank you for your Information.


Couldnīt really believe that they ( legally ) got her back in service after all these years over there in La Ceiba since maintenance ....

flash8 29th January 2016 19:59


Dear God. Has 411A come back from the grave?
You know when I saw the thread title I had similar immediate thoughts :)

mark1484 21st February 2016 10:08

Has there been any news on the Tristar Preservation L1011s?

JammedStab 24th May 2016 10:47

Kansas City nonprofit acquires former Flying Hospital jumbo jet | The Kansas City Star

JW411 25th May 2016 17:22

I've just had a look on Google Earth and it seems that 411a's beloved Tripe is still decaying gracefully on the ramp at La Ceiba. In many ways it would be nice to turn it into a shrine for all of us that remember the good old days where pilots actually flew aeroplanes, captains were captains, CRM had not been invented and a place where the young could remember such wonderful uncompromising red necks such as 411a.

It will never happen of course but he was a great old boy and wonderful at winding up the youngsters!

2Bad2Sad 26th May 2016 04:17

i was contacted possibly 4-5 years ago to move it out of there.
Seems some Arab back then owns this and is well known for not paying.
After so many years in that humidity would be expensive to fly it out.
Engine oil/filter changes all rigging, flight controls lubed etc, to include gear swings, list goes on.
Better to just cut it up, but if there was a way to do this would be nice to see this flying again. ,
Not cost effective, but wish it was.

mark1484 29th May 2016 15:19

I wonder who pays the parking bill with these Tristar's just sitting there?

Strange that the flying hospital has been chosen to be made flyable again, sounds like one heck of a job.


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