Three Holers..
 

Well gentlemen, (And Ladies) there is some movement around, so do not lose all hope!! Seems like one three holer (DC-10) is being replaced by another (L-1011) over the skies of Europe and Africa.
The First ex-Cal. aircraft that was stored in Abu Dhabi for a few years IS on revenue service and the next one is arriving soon.

And...several Lockheed three-holers in SE Asia, quite soon, along with B727's....

Resumes
 

411A

Where do we send the resumes??????? ;)



Mutt

Well Mutt, most crew have been selected already....however we have three projects. The other two are yet to be finalized, so may need more crew. I always list the email address, plain text only accepted.

I have to admit that I am confused! I had no idea that the ex-Caledonian L1011s had been converted into freighters whilst they were sitting in the desert in Abu Dhabi. If not, why are they featuring on the Freight Dogs page?

Certainly no L1011 freighter would ever be seriously replacing a DC-10 unless the operators were flat-broke. One of my F/E friends (from my DC-10 days) has been flying the L1011 freighter for some years and he tells me that it won't do more than 5 hours 30 minutes with a full load. In fact, he is of the opinion that compared to the DC-10-30, the L1011 "is an over-engineered dawg"!

I well remember my first LGW - LAX flight in a DC-10-30. With 345 passengers plus bags and 35,000 lbs of freight under the floor, we even managed a modest derate on take-off over Russ Hill on 26 from Gatwick.

Incidentally, can anyone out there tell me what the correct MTOW for an L1011 is nowadays? We operated our DC-10-30s to 580,000 lbs (583,000 lbs ramp).

Well, JW411...loading thru the pax doors "sometimes" works...then again, maybe not. The L10-200F tops out at 215 tons.

Many thanks for that 411A. Most of the DC-10-30s came out around 260T and with the CF-6 C2B option this went up to 263T. (I believe the military operate the KC10 at nearly 270T).

I can now see why an L10-200F at 215T would only go 5 hours 30 minutes with a full load. It is a big difference.

Loading through the pax doors (unless it is SLF) is going to be pretty interesting if that is indeed the plan!

By the way, I have seen a couple of Hewa Bora (Congo) L1011s recently floating around Europe and they look very smart.

I had heard that the Marshal Aerospace -200 freighter conversions (ex Kalitta birds) also included high capacity brakes wich increased max ldg wt to 380,000 Lbs.

My F/E mate is flying L10-200Fs modified by Marshalls of Cambridge. Increasing the MLW by 12000 lbs or so is only going to help on short sectors.

saw the tristars at Mwanza Tanzania, Look Great but they wont install the cargo doors as its to expensive try getting tons of fish through the pax door

Tech stop at CAI

I guess any job openings that might come out of this will be for experienced crew only?
Indeed I`m one of those almost fresh out of flight academy guys with only 200 hours :-(
Thanks very much anyway if you would give us guys a chance too :D
And where are these planes going to operate? (identifiers don`t mean much to me yet but I`ll look them up)

Hellcopter:

Many thanks for the information. I had not really considered the L1011-500 in my comparison for Lockheeds had to saw 13 ft 6 ins (4.11m) off of the fuselage to make it work - which rather defeats the object of the exercise.

RAF operates modified -500s to an MTOW of 245T. Max ZFW is 159T, if memory serves me correctly....I'll let you know again in 6 months!

T'would appear I should have read 'copters post first! Big problem with the tankers is that if you fill them with fuel (136T if memory serves me correctly), you bust the max AUW! Still, 125T does go an awfully long way...

:D

Scrap Metal
 

Sorry gents, but in my view the DC10 and in particular the Tristar are both scrap metal,no harm in waxing on about them while working your farms,but its a long wait if your looking for the 'good ole days 'to return.

Hellcopter:

I am quite prepared to believe you but could you really take 380 punters from London to Los Angeles in an L1011-500?

Scrap Metal:

The topic of the conversation is "Three Holers" - nobody said there was an age limit!

The three holers..."dead"...watch this space for the next two months...we'll see whom is dead.....:D :D

360 in a -500, don't think so.....a -250 yes, but none of those left as the last 4 were purchased from DL last week.

Two more L1011-200Fs joined the junk yard at ROW (Roswell) last month, one with Fine Air livery, the other with Arrow Air livery. There is no long term future for any "Three Holers." Eventually, the DC-3 will have outlived them all!:cool:

I guess FedEx has it all wrong then....with their MD-11's, MD-10's etc.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: