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dboy. Lej is is the biggest issue for most people who don’t/won’t/can’t live there! There are many solutions, some sensible some not. Unless/until yr on the fixed roster you won’t do 8 days on. Normal is 3-6. Rest periods are out in the network somewhere in a hotel but there will be times when accom is necessary in lej eg sby, flight cx, recurrent ground trg, occasional w/e layovers etc. Some have their own flat, some share, sometimes 3 in a 2 bed as it’s unlikely all to be there at the same time, some use hotels as required. Be advised that there is a lot of pressure on Bru jumpseats. These are are important questions for you and us - we invest a lot to get you online! Keep researching this- again plse use the search function and go back in history. There is plenty on DHK already on this site. Good luck dh |
Thank you deltahotel. I know there is a lot of info on pprune and ppjn, but how accurate is it??. On ppjn they talk about a 8 on 6 off roster. I guess you are talking about a 6 on 3 off roster?? In that case commuting is impossible. Plus the pressure on the jumpseats makes it worrying. |
The only fixed roster is 9/5 which is generally popular with commuters but it takes a while to get onto that. 8/6 was talked about 15 years ago and there has been some discussion recently but I wouldn’t hold my breath. My ref to 3/6 is that duties are usually between 3&6 days long followed by days off. People make the commuting work - I did it for a year from Toulouse and it worked but was hard work. Bru is doable because people do it successfully! You don’t say what your other job options are, if any. My advice (feel free to ignore) would be go for the interview and ask all these questions. The recruiters are very approachable. We are recruiting strongly but don’t want you to join and then 6 months down the road go elsewhere because it doesn’t work for you for the sake of a couple of unasked questions. dh |
Originally Posted by dboy
(Post 10377062)
Hi I got also the invitation. Biggest issue for me is the LEJ base. My wife and i bought recently a house in the Belgium. But getting a flat in LEI and having a mortgage is for me financially not viable. On top of that my wife is working in Belgium as well. I do have a question about the roster: if you are 8 days “on”, are you 8 days (nights)away and the last day coming back to base or are you coming back every single day? If the first option is being done, it allows me to commute back to Brussels, if not, i might have to forget the whole thing. I dont find an answer, someone provide me an answer? Ok, so you need to think about this: If you want to commute you will be offered a part time contract which I think is about 80-90% if you live in Belgium (depends on the distance where you live). So only 80-90% of your salary but more days off. After one year you might have the chance to go on what we call 9n5 with a full contract, 9 days on, 5 days off, but the 9on include a rest day at the beginning and the end. like jumpseating to LEJ on Monday evening, back on Tuesday morning the following week. If you want a full contract you need to take your residence in Leipzig and the opportunities to jumpseat home are very limited. |
9-5 is when you look at it negative 7-7 is when you look at it positive 8-6 is about right. (Imo) j/s to BRU is very difficult as there are many Belgians with higher priority. Paris might be a possibility, CGN perhaps or AMS. |
Commuting to CGN, AMS, and CDG might be an option. But do i understand well that the first day and last day of the 9 day rotation are resting time and many others are commuting on that day? Not clear all this. And if so, is the company allowing this? @deltahotel you say that it might take a while before getting this roster. What kind of roster does one get before that? tx all for the constructive input. |
Random and flexible. So normally anything from 3-6 days on followed by days off. If LEJ based then the first sector is normally outbound from LEJ after midnight which is how commuters come in on their first evening. Likewise last sector inbound will get in usually before midnight and commute home later. All that said it is massively variable and to be honest I haven’t kept up with all the changes on commuting policies. EAM above has good points on PT contracts depending on how far from LEJ you live. The best work life balance in this company is to live in/near LEJ if you can make it work with family etc. If if you go to interview do not leave the room until you are absolutely sure of all the implications of contracts, commutes, rosters, lifestyle etc. It is very much in our interest that you join with clarity |
Hi Folks,
Do you have some hours ? Cause the HR sent a sort of PFO cause I have a cadet profile |
Originally Posted by deltahotel
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Hi CV. I think it’s grown up a bit since then and hopefully more sensible now! Falconetti. Please use the search function - there’s loads of stuff on this forum about DHK. Above all have a sensible answer ready for ‘how are you going to make LEJ work? Where do you plan to live etc?’ good luck dh At least the SIM assesment was quick, 20 mins, job done and he also told me I would be getting a positive phone call. The hold pool dragged on as well, nearly 3 years! Young, free and single. Get a flat in Leipzig, learn to speak German, have a good time. Married, wife and kids back home. Don't forget that you fly for the money to finance your family and the pay is ok and you are getting hours on a heavy jet. Do your bonded time then try to get a job near home. If you can sleep in the day in hotels then it's not a bad job, struggle to sleep, as I did, and it's like a prison sentence with the torture of fatigue. Commuting used to be stressful, I don't know if it has changed since I left. Most of the crews were great, people from loads of different countries so all ways interestiing to talk about where they come from. Quite a few destinations but nearly always an ILS to a long runway and oddly enough the weather is often a lot more benign at night but you will do loads of auto lands in the winter fog. A good start to any ones career, for me it was a way to keep the money coming in having been made redundant at the start of the last recession. DHL oUtpia would be to settle in Leipzig and fly the block roster starting on a Tuesday or Wednesday. Fly for a few nights, weekend at home, fly for a couple of nights, week off.👍 |
Originally Posted by Council Van
(Post 10378084)
That was ten or eleven years ago. The other thing I remember is how long it dragged on for, over an hour.
At least the SIM assesment was quick, 20 mins, job done and he also told me I would be getting a positive phone call. The hold pool dragged on as well, nearly 3 years! Young, free and single. Get a flat in Leipzig, learn to speak German, have a good time. Married, wife and kids back home. Don't forget that you fly for the money to finance your family and the pay is ok and you are getting hours on a heavy jet. Do your bonded time then try to get a job near home. If you can sleep in the day in hotels then it's not a bad job, struggle to sleep, as I did, and it's like a prison sentence with the torture of fatigue. Commuting used to be stressful, I don't know if it has changed since I left. Most of the crews were great, people from loads of different countries so all ways interestiing to talk about where they come from. Quite a few destinations but nearly always an ILS to a long runway and oddly enough the weather is often a lot more benign at night but you will do loads of auto lands in the winter fog. A good start to any ones career, for me it was a way to keep the money coming in having been made redundant at the start of the last recession. DHL oUtpia would be to settle in Leipzig and fly the block roster starting on a Tuesday or Wednesday. Fly for a few nights, weekend at home, fly for a couple of nights, week off.👍 I actually went to a job closer to home but sometimes I wish I didn’t. The DHL job is dead easy and if you can sleep during the day its no too tiring when you are on the block roster. Ofcourse you have some long nights but you have that on LH also. DHL is actually quite a smooth operatiion. I do miss it. |
Well while using the search function in here i found a typical roster: “This can be a typical roster. Sun: LEJ-CGN 2200-2300z [24 hours in CGN] Mon: CGN-LEJ 2200-2300z Tue: LEJ-ARN 0300-0450z [Day stop] ARN-LEJ 2030-2200z Wed: LEJ-BLL 0320-0430z [Day stop] BLL-LEJ 2145-2250z Thur: LEJ-CIA 0350-0540z [Day stop] CIA-LEJ 2040-2240z When returning to LEJ after each trip, unless you have an apartment nearby the airport, you'll end up waiting in the hub for the next sector and that can be up to 4 hours. There are sleeping facilities (bunks, quiet room with reclining chairs) though you have to be early to grab a chair or even a bunk as they go rather quickly.” In other words, i need anyway to rent a flat or getting a hotelroom for a few nights a week. On top of that commuting will be extremely expensive ( if i have to fly by airline back since jumpseating is really hard). Basically my expenses will increase like hell and my higher salary will be lower from what i have now. Bit of a shame i have to withdraw myself now because i really think DHL is a good stable outfit with a lot of perspectives. best regards. |
First of all this is not a typical roster, you will do 3 sectors most of the nights and have about 2-3 hours in the hub.
Usually it doesn't make sense to go to an apartment nearby. If you are not having an apartment in Leipzig, then you will have a part time contract. |
I don’t know anyone who would go away from the hub on any of those duties. The days are in nice hotels (those are all good stops) and the time in the hub goes by. There are more rest facilities being built. That said better to walk away now than get here and hate it! |
HI Got today a mail from HR about the T and C. So basically if you have to commute more than 4h you get a 10/12 roster and pay. BUT ad hoc roster ( no block roster)!!! How many days off you get after the days on? For a full timer how many days on you have a month? grts |
This is pretty much what EAM and I have been saying. 10/12 is 83%. Ad hoc roster is another phrase for flexible and random and per EAM the block roster may come later. There may be times of long blocks and short breaks but the total days free of duty are contractual and they do achieve it. To try to nail this down. A full timer has 162 days pa free of duty which is 42 days leave and 120 days off. This is contractual, so average 10 pm plus leave. 10/12 you lose 7 days leave so 35 leave. Gain 60 part time. Days off is 10pm for 10 months is 100. End up with 35 leave and 160 off spread through the year. This my understanding and I’ve been playing part time games since 2008. Hope this helps |
Tx. i calculated that in case you have later on a block schedule, the 83% contract would be an equivalent of 8on 6 off. on your last day, in this case the 8th, you finish late or early? I reckon you are commuting as well, back to UK? Is it for you doable? Flexible enough? Or does it give you a headache? In case of commuting i guess one is using the last off day to come to base. (So 1 day less off) Do you have a flat as well or you just stay in a hotel in LEJ? A very constructive thread here! (Y) |
It could be a thread more interesting if you'd say your profile :P
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There is no 8/6 roster. I think EAM is right on this that a block roster 9/5 would then attract a full time roster - ask at interview. I’m EMA based so drive 1 hour at start and finish of work blocks |
What’s DHL Air UK’s take on a (no-deal) brexit? I would not like to join now to find out they are not allowed to run a LEJ-CIA in a few months time on a G-reg. Let alone being paid in GBP whilst living on the continent. Have been out of DHL for a few years now but I do wonder what management has to say... (Some of) The airplanes can ofcourse move to D or EI reg. But how about the crews? |
Originally Posted by SaulGoodman
(Post 10381592)
Have been out of DHL for a few years now but I do wonder what management has to say... Yes, we can see that. You can be paid in Euros at a fixed rate since September last year and if you want to know the plans about post Brexit, quite easy..... ..... ask someone at the UK parliament what their idea about Brexit is.:ugh: The management is very optimistic that we will continue like it is for at least 1 year and by then we should have an idea on how the future between EU and the UK will be and what the necessary steps are. |
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