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I am invited 8'th of February and at EMA. You are right about some test an group exercise.

Have you been to the first assessment and can you tell me about your day?

:)

Hi Jay_solo

Thx. i really don't know what the process is. Only thing I know is it will be test and group work. And when i asked about what to prepare the answer was "fail to prepare - prepare to fail" :D



About me:

300 total flight hours and 440 include sim.
fineshed my rating summer 2016 on A320 (I've applied for Aer Lingus and waiting for an interview after I've done the two independent online test they send me)

Best of luck

unless it hasn't changed recently, it is an interview with a Cpt and someone from HR. All very fair. Rule number one, know your aircraft, rule two: don't make up anything if you don't know the answer, you are not supposed to know everything.

Best of luck

Rule three - don't turn up if you haven't thought the working in Leipzig thing through. Good luck.

The Merovingian__

Thx for taking the time to explain the day. Unfortunately the notice is very short.

May I ask where you guys applied, I applied to dhl aero back in April 2014 I regularly update it no joy as if yet, how about going in person to east mids , any ideas

This is EAT, nothing to do with DHL UK, Two different Companies.

am willing to do anything to get a job, work for free and pay for type rating, been looking for airline employment now for 5 years totally sick of it,

i have kept my self current , its ust a shame our industry is what it is,

i would self sponsor everything and work on a voluntary basis

I honestly hope you will look for an airline job for another decade or more.....

My last job was as an FE on the A300-B4 and redundancy was the best thing that happened.

Ground job for 3 years then fully retired. You find out what your bed is for when it's dark :)

sr71bbc - if your comments are genuine then I would ask you to take your talents into an industry other than aviation, your attitude serves only to damage the lives of professional aviators.

anyone else can share what is expected in an assessment? anyone attended in last few months?
all little details much appreciated, please PM or post here. Thank you!

Yes please, details would be great !

Hi Shutdownatpl

I'm going for that assessment on 16th march in EMA. What about you? Do you have any answers what we may expect?

Secondhand info ....
 

Initial interview:

Basic knowledge of DHL, including company mission, company slogan. Usual questions, no "gotchas" to speak of.

One part was a chain math calculation, something like 7 + 12 x 9 and so on. Get one operation wrong, you get the whole thing wrong, under time pressure.

Another part was a team exercise similar to this one: http://mathforum.org/alejandre/ZinObelisk.pdf

This exercise is done under observation, and it's meant to show your aptitude for working as part of a team.

You might profit by playing a few of these, since practice improves performance. The exercise teaches you how to do CRM better anyway, not just for getting past a check with DHL. You will find that you need a leader and an assistant or co-leader, when care must be taken to get information from all participants. If you go into this thinking that you are going to show the observer that you are a real strong leader ... that is not what they are looking for.

Past that comes a sim assessment in a DHL-configured 757 with aircraft set for takeoff at Luton on RWY 26. Match 2B SID to BPK, procedural ILS 26 to a full stop. EFIS in raw data (no flight director), EHSI in VOR mode. No autopilot, flight director or autothrottle.

That's the first part. Second part may consist of:

2 engine go-around

2 engine visual

2 engine NDB/DME RWY 26 Luton.

Asymmetric flying exercises

Engine failure on take-off, single engine ILS, full stop landing

If you get past the first interview then you will get an e-mail with an info pack attachment including LIDO plates for Luton, and a set of profiles showing DHL SOPs for the Boeing 757.

I would suggest downloading the guide to LIDO charts and plates: https://www.ivao.aero/training/docum...ido_charts.pdf

Third-hand account of a recent sim check: low-pressure, only 30 minutes, no NDB approach. I would not count on each ride being that easy, of course. This one may have been for a guy of exceptional ability with a good personality who nailed each point being assessed. We should all be so lucky!

The offer is for a job with DHL UK, paid in pounds, but required to live within 90 minutes of Leipzig, Germany. (Leipzig and its surrounds are liveable, for the former East Germany. It's not going to be like Berlin, though!) Low but fair pay for the first few years as you pay off your TR on the B757, improving after that. About 300 hrs. per year; night flying; short trips with a break in the middle for the aircraft to be unloaded/loaded; and back to base, either home or an out station; perhaps as long as ten years to upgrade to command. It sounds as if it beats Ryanair, anyway! Working as a catamite in a Turkish steam bath might beat Ryanair, though ....

It says right in the info packet that you will be assessed on "your cockpit resource management, your knowledge of instrument flying procedures and your ability to recognize and learn from your mistakes." Going by that I think I would want to learn every detail of all charts provided that are associated with Luton, particularly if these LIDO charts are unfamiliar, as well as learning the various DHL SOPs. Get all of that down pat, and then the rest should just be a fair assessment of your ability, so "Good luck to all of you!"

Thanks chucks for the time and feedback.

Thank you for the feedback. Anyone know a website or something where I can practice this kind of maths ? Thank you

Thanks for your feedback, it's very helpful.

Does anyone know what sort of questions are asked in the tech exam for type rated guys?

Thanks

min 7 days or 14. no single days. if that is all you are worried about.

Jay. Are you applying to DHK?

Any predictions what Brexit might bring for DHL Air?

Would their LEJ operations be in danger of being replaced by DHL EAT? Nobody has a crystal ball but some must know enough to have some valid thoughts on this?

Thats a good one. ;) According to the management all will be fine:E

Good Morning all,
I attended the assessment for the Cadet FO position yesterday, DHL is truly an amazing company to work for. Everyone I came across was super nice, the company really look after thier employees and take pride in helping them develop and provide support and guidance when needed.
Leipzig is truly an incredible place to live lots to do, lots to see and would be a perfect place to even one day settle down and start a familly. DHL provide support with relocation, i.e Finding a place, language lessons ect.
For me it's an amazing company to be with and definitely a place where I could see myself for the long run/longterm career prospect.

For now fingers crossed for the results to be revealed ....

Zubair all I can say is hahahaha
What a good presentation they must of done to come over like that ��

@CV just out of curiosity, because you mentioned that already a few times.
Did keep the 4 month notice, or did you leave early?

Interesting, its a bit of topic and probably goes a bit too much into details, but did you go to a lawyer and thought to sue them? Its your money.

Anyway, DHK is a good job. The management is like in any other company, they don't care about you. Rules are always different when its to their advantage.

For cadets its not really the right place, you do about 300h per year, so you don't make a lot of hours. After 10 years you have 3000h, by that time your friends are already in command in other companies. But the job is good, pay is alright and you don't have to worry too much about the future, apart from the Brexit.:ugh:

so that is actually not true then

Sorry complete outsider here.

300h/y that's about 6h flying per week. Surely can't be a full time position ?!

You do an average of 30 block hours with about 70-90 duty hours per month, that is typical for cargo operation.
@Merovinigian the time away on the roster are not the real duty hours.

Thanks for those clarifications. I honestly had no idea.
Is this typical for all European cargo operations (I guess DHL UK doesn't do long haul?)
Just for info could you post a typical week schedule (ie. flight, wait, next sector, rest)? Doesn't need to be too specific, just to give a ballpark idea to the uneducated.

Thanks, very interesting and educative.

Definitely not for everyone but if (big if) you manage decent rest and don't look for family life it might be fairly decent.

Anyway thanks again - gives me a glimpse in the life of a freightdog :)

Any DHL insiders here who could comment on their employers age policy? They seem to hire lowtimers occasionally, but would they also consider the odd lowtimer past mid-30s (that´s when I expect to be all done modular)?

I have extensive routine with working shifts/night (non aviation though), my German is quite alright and we could see ourselves making a home in LEJ. No idea if those factors are pluses in the cargo biz.

Well, if we are talking about DHL Air UK, non of this gives you an advantage, but the age isn't´a disadvantage.
We hire low timers and most of them are quite young, but to be realistic, even our management can be considered as low timers in relation to their age :E

Give it a try, if you speak german and want to move to Leipzig, it is definitely a plus for you and how to get along with the job in Leipzig.

Thanks EAM, always good to hear there are a few possible employers out there.

What are the travel benefits at DHL? Do they have an interline travel arrangement?

Interline
 

None of that I'm afraid. Various airlines in the group are used to jumpseat pilots around when needed. So DHK, EAT, ASL, Aerologic, West Atlantic, Cargo Air are the ones I can think of.

Yup (considering they fly narrow body jets on a European network). DHL is pretty "easy" when it comes to rostering, other companies will have "heavier" duties (more 3-4 sector nights) but also more time back home.

No. They also fly 767s long haul as well as in place of the 757 if the network demands it.

Definitely not, DHK does 3 and sometimes 4 sectors a night, long nights and quite often you do 3 sectors every night for 5 days.

DHK rosters are quite fatiguing at the moment due to lack of pilots. The rosters are everything,....but easy!:ugh: