It's too bad that you let your emotions override reality and common sense...

A while back, someone from an "American carrier that is unionized" chose to post a list here of people HE decided to label as $c@b$, without ANY support from his union. The union leader was later forced to repudiate the list and apologize for the person's unwarranted actions.

Don't let that happen to you. Don't put a label on someone that you don't understand -- especially as volatile label as this. You and your airline will suffer for it if you do.

Only an opinion....
 

Fr8Dog,

Can you see the parallels with passenger ops???. If airline "X" went on strike, and passengers then went with airline "Y", ( who saw increased load and profits) would you call them "scabs"?. Yes or no?.

I can see the argument that IF Amerijet mngmt reaps a continuing profit by subcontracting their consigned freight, that that to me would signal that those who move it were "crossing the line". If however, the Freightforwarders moved the load to a different mover, and Amerijet was out of the loop so to say, that "mover" would be without sin. ( the same as in passenger operations, yes?).



I applaud your desire to see Amerijet Pilots come out of this quickly and with better working conditions, but your not going to win any arguments with just rhetoric.

I wonder why the "Freight Forwarders" had to go all the way to Canada
to find a replacement carrier, when all they had to do was look across
the ramp at MIA, Centurion, UPS, Florida West. I'm sure they all would
have loved to have the extra business. Hell, even Cargo Air Transport
is in the same state.

Flightaware shows a few Tradewinds flights as canceled. Were they contracted to fly the freight but backed out?

call it however you see it, but if you are on the MIA ramp and moving freight that is "new" to your ops, then pull your head out and ask yourself if it smells right!!! many unions and airlines are supporting AJT and EVERYONE should honor the cause and the line. just remember that it could be you, or me or anyone needing the support. if it is covered in black, then assume it is struck cargo and do the right thing and refuse to fly it. if all else fails, look at the shipping documents, they should tell the real story.

EXACTLY!!!

You will likely find NOTHING on any shipping documents any more that identifies ANY freight as "Amerijet" freight!

The ONLY exception is cargo already consigned to Amerijet when the strike began, and has not yet moved.

Only an opinion
 

Not going to waste my time anymore, I am tired of :ugh:

Those of us that have been there and seen the aircraft being loaded with AmeriJet trucks and equipment know better.

FR8

Happy L-38? Thanks for the tip, was wondering how to do that, thanx

As long as freight is not moving on Amerijet that is what matters.

Regarding the passenger industry (And cargo), if any pilot group had the balls all Pilot's would stop and not cross a picket line and instead turnaround and return to the hotel. When off duty, all pilots and crewmembers should take-up picket signs and jump in to support their fellow union brothers and provide donations to their cause.

How quickly would that bring the industry to it's knees if all groups were to lend mutual and financial support? If that were the case how long would a strike last, hours perhaps minutes?

And all it would take is for one major US airport to shutdown due to a picket line. The precedent to use in this case is that the crews did not feel safe crossing the picket line. The company's will seek alternative methods of getting crews accross the lines, but they can say no and that they feel unsafe crossing any picket line. Hell if they do cross the line maybe an example is required? Imagine what their companies would thing if their crews get that same support in the future?

If the cargo has no ride out of dodge the pressure mounts on all service providers.
If the passengers have no ride out of dodge **** hits the fan!

As for Cargojet crossing the line maybe you need to reconsider what you are doing to your career. Do you jumpseat? Do you have any hope of working for another airline, I somehow doubt that this will be a career move for you at Cargojet. Think about what you are doing to your industry and stop flying struck freight! The best thing any Cargojet pilot can do is get out of your airplane and join the picket lines on your next flight into Miami.

Pilot's have the power they simply fail to use it.

Scab = no job at Union carrier
 

Scud runner08:

You say being on the scab list means nothing.

ALPA Canada represents 8 carriers in Canada if I remember correctly. Good luck to any Cargojet folks who try to climb the aviation ladder to get a job at any of those carriers if their name is on that list. I'm not sure what ties the IBT have in Canadian aviation, but rest assured that the names of the damned will be known to all who matter if a job is concerned.

Maybe I'm old fashioned but I think it bad business for everyone to take customers hostages. Do all you can to keep freight from flying on Amerijet, or in a way that brings revenues to Amerijet, but do not punish customers for finding alternatives that have nothing to do with Amerijet, because if you do, customers eventually find out and become ex-customers for life, and absolutely no one wins!

Are you going to refuse transport to a pax who buys a new ticket because his carrier is struck ? Why is a box different ? Why should the shipper be punished for getting another carrier ?

Is Amerijet in the habit of doing handling for other carriers ? If not, I agree it is fishy, even if it is set up by a freight forwarder. If yes, then CargoJet is guilty of a particularly bad choice of handler.

hey i dont mind i'll poop in a bag can i join amerijet?

Poop in a bag!
 

Why, are you willing to cross a picket line?

What makes you think that ALPA has ANY say in who is hired at ANY carrier?

Are the laws that different in Canada, that they allow a company to maintain a "scab list" and screen potential hires from it? Somehow, I think not!

YES!
 

Yes, I'll cross. I'll poop in a bag and work 15 hour days. Or poop for 15 hours a day and work in a bag. Either way.

Sadly, the days of ALPA taking care of their own, have turned more into seeing how large they can fill their own coffers. (ready, aim, fire!) Unions are a necessary evil, but they certainly are not doing now what they were designed to do years ago. (ready, aim, fire!) Big unions are not out for your best interest, trust me on that one, especially if you are a bottom feeder carrier. Too bad self representation can't be for all.

The "good ole' days" are gone. Better luck getting a group of truckers or cabbies coming together for a common goal than aviators. We all talk big though.

Scab lists lose their potency in 4-5 years anyway, except for those diehards. And there certainly isn't going to be any upswing in the industry for at least that. Sad, but true. In these trying times, one can't blame folks for feeding their family. Unless of course we could all see the same page and reclaim our profession. What a great concept.

Best of luck to all involved.

Hmmm, well it certainly did not deter pilots at Continental (years ago) who crossed the picket line...in fact they all were accepted into APLO later on...:}

ALPA, APA, IFALPA, etc...paper tigers.:rolleyes:

411A
 

Well said!:)

alpa
 

ALPA -

Can't live with 'em..

Can't live without 'em...


You just can't divorce this one guys. Take the bag and poop. Nuff said.

Cargojet is considered the top of the ladder for a lot of its employees, a career job. To be flying on a '67 there you would have to be fairly senior. Have you checked the starting wages for any of those ALPA carriers in Canada? Moving to practically any other airline in Canada would be a serious step backwards and a 30 - 40% pay cut. I don't think this list is too much of a worry for these people.

The threats and intimidation, instead of educating and dialogue, will definitely bring people in line with your point of view.

Keep up the good work. :ugh:
DW

you boys make me laugh. Talk all your stupid nonsense, I will be waiting for you in Miami Springs to educate you on what happens to scabs who cross the picket line here at MIA. I am so f*****g tired of your bs. Come and discuss any position you have on our picket line, we will assign a position for you in our mud puddle. We are not kidding. We sent patrols down to SDQ, POS, and other places to meet and discuss our issues with you, I will gaurantee you, you will not like to hear or find out our non-humble opinion as to what happens to strike-breakers in the good ole USA. Bring some muscle. This is no joke, my friends.