First off, not everyone as you have pretty much imply is defending CargoJet on AVCANADA , yes at first when most of us thought it was one flight and that was the end of it when CJ pilots told management not to do this anymore.

Now that it's been made clear that flights have continued and no one can say they don't know whats going on anymore, I would take another look at the site. Just as anywhere especially with a site like Avcanada which is one of the most active aviation sites in the world, there will be people with differing opinions and that debate is welcome. Aviation Top 1000 - the most popular aviation sites one the net

I would encourage more of you to post on their not just a drive by post calling them SCABS wich serves no one.

CargoJet
 

Just saw them ( CARGOJET) at the Amerijet ramp getting reloaded. Plus a Russian type aircraft next to it. Everyone one know's the guy's are struggling for all in aviation related work. GOOD LUCK!:) The time was Sept 04 ,2009 at1600Z.

Just got word that CargoJet is NOT Flying for AmeriJet, they are flying for the freight forwarders that usually contract AmeriJet.

So picking up this work was a result of Freight Forwarders scrambling to find a way to move there goods and keep their business going and continue to provide service to their customers while their regular provider couldn't haul their goods.

That's the goods folks don't shoot the messenger :ok:.

Still sucks though and hope Amerijets Pilots get a fair deal soon.

What is the difference
 

"ScudRunner08 Just got word that CargoJet is NOT Flying for AmeriJet, they are flying for the freight forwarders that usually contract AmeriJet.

So picking up this work was a result of Freight Forwarders scrambling to find a way to move there goods and keep their business going and continue to provide service to their customers while their regular provider couldn't haul their goods".

This is a common tactic during a strike, the freight is still AmeriJet freight.
You call it what you will but this is still scab flying!

The difference ?
 

It's a freight forwarder's job to move boxes from A to B no matter what, it isn't a tactic. If the carrier of choice is struck, find another, if there's enough volume, charter a plane, it's just business.
Or do you call it a tactic when SLF and their travel agents attempt to find alternate ways to reach their destinations when their carrier is struck and they're stranded ?

I think striking employees should not be replaced and picket lines not crossed, but I also think customers have the right to make other arrangements.

When a freight forwarder FF contracts airline A to move freight, the freight becomes A's freight.

If A is now not able to move the freight and subcontracts another airline B, it still remains A's freight that is now also B's freight.
If FF contracts airline C instead of airline A, it is no longer A's freight but it is now C's freight.

That is the difference, even if the freight comes from the same forwarder FF and moves out of the same warehouse.

My support still goes with the Amerijet Crews.

The Difference
 

TheWanderer "When a freight forwarder FF contracts airline A to move freight, the freight becomes A's freight. If A is now not able to move the freight BECAUSE THEY ARE ON STRIKE! and subcontracts another airline B, it still remains A's freight".

Period.

The other airlines, truckers, trains etc. can try and justify moving AmeriJet's freight anyway they like. Struck freight is struck freight, anyone that comes to Miami and moves that freight are scabs!

And I am not an AmeriJet pilot, I fly for one of their competitors. But I am a UNION pilot and I stand behind my brothers and sisters.

The idea of a strike is to put an economic hardship on the company to compel them to negotiate a contract with you. If "Amerijets cargo" is moving on another aircraft and they are still deriving a profit then that is struck freight and should not be moved. If the freight forwarders are simply moving their product on another airline that is fine, the strike is doing what it is intended to do. The question that needs to be answered before you call someone a scab is "Did Amerijet make money off of this flight?"

You are wrong on 2 counts:

1. You misquoted Wanderer and inserted your own commentary as his quote.

2. Amerijet does not "have" any freight that has not been consigned to it.

Freight is consigned to airlines by freight forwarders. "Struck freight" would include freight already consigned to Amerijet but not yet delivered at the time of the strike. Can you identify any such cargo?

Unless a forwarder has an EXCLUSIVE contract with a particular airline, that forwarder can choose any airline he wants for any load or portion thereof. The freight does not "belong to" any airline until it is consigned to that airline.

After the strike started, if a forwarder who usually consigns freight to Amerijet decides to use another airline for subsequent freight, that freight does NOT belong to Amerijet and is NOT "struck freight."

Sematics
 

1. You misquoted Wanderer and inserted your own commentary as his quote.

For effect only

2. Amerijet does not "have" any freight that has not been consigned to it.

Freight is consigned to airlines by freight forwarders. "Struck freight" would include freight already consigned to Amerijet but not yet delivered at the time of the strike. Can you identify any such cargo?

Unless a forwarder has an EXCLUSIVE contract with a particular airline, that forwarder can choose any airline he wants for any load or portion thereof. The freight does not "belong to" any airline until it is consigned to that airline.

After the strike started, if a forwarder who usually consigns freight to Amerijet decides to use another airline for subsequent freight, that freight does NOT belong to Amerijet and is NOT "struck freight."

See the title of the post. You call it what ever you want. The rest is B.S. and you know it! The freight was going on AmeriJet if they were flying right.
I am not saying that the freight forwarder should suffer a financil impact because of the srtike. But if there was a contract with AmeriJet to move the freight, then the freight is AmeriJet's. And if the AmeriJet managment is still making a profit off of the movement even if it is not on an

Sematics
 

1. You misquoted Wanderer and inserted your own commentary as his quote.

For effect only

2. Amerijet does not "have" any freight that has not been consigned to it.

Freight is consigned to airlines by freight forwarders. "Struck freight" would include freight already consigned to Amerijet but not yet delivered at the time of the strike. Can you identify any such cargo?

Unless a forwarder has an EXCLUSIVE contract with a particular airline, that forwarder can choose any airline he wants for any load or portion thereof. The freight does not "belong to" any airline until it is consigned to that airline.

After the strike started, if a forwarder who usually consigns freight to Amerijet decides to use another airline for subsequent freight, that freight does NOT belong to Amerijet and is NOT "struck freight."

See the title of the post. You call it what ever you want. The rest is B.S. and you know it!

The freight was going on AmeriJet if they were flying right. I am not saying that the freight forwarder should suffer a financil impact because of the srtike. But if there was a contract with AmeriJet to move the freight, then the freight is AmeriJet's. And if AmeriJet is still making a profit off of the movement even if it is not on an AmeriJet aircraft, it is wrong.

:ok::DAll my support and GO FOR IT. Ex Cargo Pilot. Good Luck Ya All......

It matters little what the semantics are. CargotJet is sitting on AJT's ramp, getting freight loaded from AJT's warehouse, using AJT trucks, K-loaders, etc. If you people want to splice hairs, knock yourselves out. YOU WILL NOT CONVINCE THE IBT, APA, or ALPA. Take your lawyers and litigate all you want, you will still be on our list. CargoJet will always be remembered for their actions.

There have been several references to the pilots flying for Cargojet being "banned" or "blacklisted" What effect do you think being on some "blacklist" is going to have on them?

Yeah if you like working ln a sty
 

Is this the system you use it home? Saves money on plumbing and having the septic tank pumped once in a while! I've had the pleasure of working for operators who felt a camping toilet on a 30 hour double crew duty day with a mechanic and loader was okay. Try it some time.

Any wonder why this career path is on the decline?

Best of luck Amerijet!!!!!!!!

Amerijet Strike makes CNN International
 

And the subject is?

Where do the pilots go to the bathroom.

From the Land of the Morning Calm.

Zero

lol who's litigating who? please explain this part of your reply :confused:

Here's a question: Lets say in two years CargoJets pilots vote to Unionized what happens then, ALPA etc says no? What would they do? What if I told you there was an effort that collapsed at CJ to join a Union in the past.

AJT spend a good amount of time explaining to the pilots that there is no such legal term as a scab. Fine, say what you what about CargoJet's activities, but it make no difference in the USA. These are individual pilots who chose to move that freight, none of them will be welcome at an American carrier that is unionized. Game, set, match. Try convincing a hiring board that you were just moving a freight forwarder's cargo, they will laugh you out of the room.

Do you really believe that anyone cares...except perhaps a few of the dupes in the respective unions?

Management wins nearly every time....especially in todays economic climate.
Striking pilots lose...nearly every time.

NB.
Now, if I was in AJI management I would have left the lavs in...keep the troops happy, collect profits.
Simple concept.