Avient making headlines again
 

I see Avient are making headlines again this week in the air cargo press for all the wrong reasons like Gun running and Diamond smuggling, even though Mr Smith strongly denies all the accusations, there's no smoke without fire you only have to speak to some of their ex employee's to learn of some of the SPARKLING revelations, in the things they carry around Africa. Obviously the statement flag of convenience must play some small part especially coming from Zimbabwe.

Avient making headlines again
 

Can't be true - see Avient's own website http://www.avient.aero/EmbargoGoods.htm
Unless anyone you know knows better :hmm:

Charter Man, take it you are not being serious?

They do say that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. I prefer to think of it as an ironic comment.....

Apparently the Air Cargo News article has found it's way on to the desk of some important people in Washington involved in US government contracts, which may have some serious implications for the planned Iraq venture.

The wheel is round and sometimes turns slowly, but it turns.

If true it took them an awfully long time to wake up to the reality!

Sometimes it's expedient for the wheels to turn slowly, sometimes the movement is barely perceptible. . .

Well it is not a US Government contract. The Federal Authorities have no say.
 

Vatry to Baghdad started a couple of weeks ago, according to their website. I think you under-estimate the influence of the US government Fogrunner, trust me - they have a lot of "say" in that part of the world.

Major news?
 

The jungle drums are beating load about a forthcoming "major announcement" - any word out there?

Major News
 

Not sure about any announcement, but seems they have cancelled their scheduled flights into Lagos last few days.:confused:

Major News
 

And................still waiting.

Major News
 

I hear there is panic among the crews and they are looking for new jobs, the 40% pay cut must of really hurt.

There is a strong murmering they will cease ops to today.

Avient
 

If they are to cease ops......thats the first rumour i`ve heard. I thought all was well with them ?

Thrax were does you info come from ?

I hear they have lost their Traffic Rights into Baghdad for their new scheduled service that they started a couple of weeks ago. Andrew Smith ? Couldn't happen to a nicer chap.............:rolleyes:

Isn't that just typical Smith trying to go one better than everyone else, MK cuts pay by 20% so he goes 40%?!
Anyway, all this must be rubbish as he has been telling his crews he is getting a fleet of MD11's to replace the DC10's.:=

They are due to fly tonight out of LFOK but that could be a smoke screen.

I would like to know where you think a fleet of MD11s is going to come from, Fedex and UPS have taken all the available units.

Avient are always in the press about this and that, why are they now being so tight lipped do they have something to hide?

hmmm me thinks:confused:

Avient always have something to hide.

Afraid have to agree with 747Comet. There are no idle MD11's standing around available to be snapped up.

Some of you lot have no clue at all, I could find ten MD11's now available for purchase or lease, so what does that say about your comments. Only open your mouths if you know what you are talking about.

If you do not know that the World is awash with aircraft then what do you know about anything else you claim!

Even if the world was awash with spare aircraft and there was a few MD11's parked up, you will find that they are all on the reserved list for the likes of FedEX who can afford to put down a retaining deposit on all the available airframes. If Andrew Smith has managed to convince any of his crews he has the financial clout to go head to head with the likes of FedEX in a bidding war over any available MD11's then either his crews are extremely naive of he is a better and bigger conman than most people take him for (and that may be a possibility). :yuk:
There has been more talk recently from his warren on salisbury plains of his change of plans now to go with Airbus to replace the 10's! At the end of the day if things get too tough, my money is on the outfit being offered to his buddy bob for nationalisation. This prospect has been on the cards for a long time and was hinted at by one of bobs cronies a few years ago.

ajwajw, dont make broad sweeping statements, - it only serves to demonstrate your ignorance.

Now put your money where your mouth is wiseguy, name the MD-11's by registration no and company that you suggest are freely available for lease or purchase.

You have us waiting in suspense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:confused:

Hmmmm, Transmile in Malaysia has been trying to sell their 4 P&W MD-11's for over a year now... No luck so far.... :rolleyes:

Oh, yeah: Registration:

9M-TMP
9M-TMQ
9M-TMR
9M-TMS

Anybody need the cellphone number of the FOM? :}

TDX
 

I understand Tradewinds (US) has a class of previously qualified MD-11 guys going on right now for airplanes they will get in the near future. If they can find and lease or purchase, seems like not too difficult....... IF, of course, true.

I think perhaps, the news is worse than that . . .

I doubt it's about MD11s at all.

Transmile is under some sort of bankrupcy protection and not in a position to dispose of any of their assests, even their old 727's, till the situation has been resolved.

That rules them out.

LCAG has some of them stored. I am sure they would be quite happy to sell it to an airline that will not be a direct competition to them...

Moreover, EVA in Taiwan has lots of them as well...

If you want it, you can find it...

well come on chaps we seem to be getting away from the Avient issue which was why the tread was started in the first place, we all know that if you have the dosh there are md-11f's avble you may even get a BOGOF offer in the current climate, anyway further up-dates on the avient situation, they have just made 6 cpt's, 3 x fe's, 3 x fo's and 3 x l/m's redundant, and rumour has it that they have also just lost the traffic rights into Baghdad, which was their sparkling new destination, so what is happening with this african carrier has mr smith stretched the purse strings too far ???......updates please

I am a great believer in what goes around comes around. If ones business ethic is to try and screw all your customers and your staff live in fear of the owner (Smith) then can you really expect them to survive in the longer term? No reputable leasing company would lease a valuable asset like an MD11F to a Zimbawean registered airline and Avient only got the DC10's from Boeing Capital because they had no other home for them after the demise of Das Air. It's only a matter of time.......

We all know there are MD11's sitting on the ground doing nothing due to the downturn in the industry but my previous point was that any airframe worth anything has already been 'reserved' by the big players. Mr Smith has kept his crews by dangling the carrot of a change in fleet for a long time now but even an idiot would realise that the amount of capitol required to finance a fleet change would be far beyond the means of Avient. Are they parking up an a/c given the number of crews he has supposedly laid off? Seems the wheel is continuing to turn and maybe the remaining crews should be looking elsewhere very soon before they find themselves stranded.

Baghdad lights ex XCR
 

I assume they have had to stop the flights into Iraq because of the new found strength of Iraqi Airways and their new partner Rus Aviation with cargo in / out. In short - if its not planned / arranged via Rus and a royalty payment is duely distributed.......you don`t fly. At least that is what is happening UAE / Kuwait or any country around Iraq. Although it now appears ( my assumption ) to have spread to the rest of the world. It even applies to US Military flights !!! via Iraqi Civilian Airports.....the situation is bizarre.....but produces lots of $$$$ for someone, for the time being.

Available MD11F's
 

Sorry to do this, but there are at least 4 units available on the open market for sale.

Transmile's 4 MD11F's are currently being remarketed, Aeroflot cargo went belly up a few weeks back and those leased aircraft may be made available for lease, and on top of those ones, there are around 10 that are being parked/stored as airlines try to weather the downturn.

In short, if Avient want MD11F's, they could certainly get hold of some for short, medium or long term.

SMJ354 Z-AVT is scheduled to leave EDFH at 22:05 GMT tonight destination is ORBI.

At Lgg
 

It seems they are moving there ops from xcr to lgg.
one a/c at Lgg today leaving for Iraq.

There has been some discussions about a possible move to LGG for some time now.
I think they were afraid that Cargo B could object on some of their routes as they are Z-registered and need to obtain non-objection for any flights ex-LGG (except to Harare of course).
Now Cargo B is history, so who knows what's going through a commercial manager's head ?
I personnaly think they would be fool to leave XCR to LGG as they will never get the same service in LGG.
They are the "kings" of XCR. They can ask pretty much whatever they want regarding loading (especially for some extra long pieces) and they get it.
They can forget that in LGG.

Just my 2 cents....

Absolutely agree with Super Baloo.

Used to hate it when assigned to work LGG! :{

Hm..... The handling agent at Lgg they will use is pretty good.
I have pushed some serious loads trough that place allready and
they managed fine.

Anyway, it is all about the money!

It's exactly the kind of company that lgg management tries to attract.
They have the warehouse ready, everything could start very quickly ...
and we already know the advantages of LGG ...

On the other hand, we know vatry will fight to death to not loose this kind of player

Avient moving to Liege
 

Understand that Avient are moving their European base from Vatry to Liege. Thought they were happy with the service they got at Vatry?:suspect:

It's still a rumour, and that rumour is not new ... it started more than 1 year ago ...
wait and see, but there are no evidence yet

Have seen this today


Good Afternoon,

As of today Avient are no longer operating from Vatry airport.

We will no longer be sending trucks down to Vatry, so will be unable to move any of your cargo to this destination.


Apologies.

Thanks for your business and we hope to work with you again in the fututre.