anyone confirm this from ABR is actually happening
ATR 72 -202 285 OK-XFA CSA Czech Airlines ferried 14jul11 PRG-EDI on delivery to Air Contractors?, + 303 OK-XFD ex F-WWLO |
CSA lease 5 ATR's from ACL but I thought they were 500's...
Also I did hear in PRG that CSA let 50 ATR pilots go and were getting rid of the aircraft... |
ATR 72 -202 285 OK-XFA CSA Czech Airlines ferried 14jul11 PRG-EDI on delivery to Air Contractors?, + 303 OK-XFD ex F-WWLO |
Simply gone for cabin refit and change of operator but nothing to do with ABR/ASL or REA.
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who is the new operator then
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Helitt Lineas Aereas
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So with Belfast soon to be linked to the Fedex network with an ATR - am I right in assuming it will be ACL operating this? Possibly with the 757 taking over another feeder route and associated shuffles of aircraft?
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So with Belfast soon to be linked to the Fedex network with an ATR - am I right in assuming it will be ACL operating this? Possibly with the 757 taking over another feeder route and associated shuffles of aircraft? |
ACL did not get the BFS contract, Swiftair did and starts operating it in September.
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That's not very surprising: Belfast is a foggy destination and Swiftair's Emb120s and ATRs are ("unofficially" :oh:) CAT IIIc approved (by their Human Resources), moreover their P2F F/Os help the company to be more productive and much cheaper than anybody else in the whole galaxy :ok:
NOGO does not exists at Swiftair, expect of course a double engine failure before taxi :cool: |
Thanks hardcase for the update
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Interesting so what other contracts have ABR won and lost. They lost the BFS contract what else have they lost. Any contracts ABR have won that are new or have changed hands from another airline
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Hotelmodemeter
Perhaps not the best thought out comments give the recent Manx2 crash.... |
Sad but true. I know what i am talking about, mate.
Those pilots working for rubbish companies like that are not the ones to blame. |
ACL didn't lose the BFS contract, it was a new Fedex route and they wanted an aircraft smaller than ATR42 due to loads, hence Swiftair on the EMB...
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Is Air Contractor still flying through LGG for FedEx?
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No they don't.
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what are ABR going to do with SP-EEE of Eurolot they are aquiring. Noticed this in the Eurolot article in september issue of airliner world
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New ATR FO intake any info?
Hi,
Just seen on PPJN that ACL have just taken on 5 new ATR fo's Can anyone shed any light on this? is this true? or is it that they intend to take more? Been trying for a while to get a gig with this company but never had as much as a call despite sending B M. my updated C.V. every couple of months which is very frustrating! They would be ideal for me and I have a number of years flying the ATR 72 and 42. if anyone could let me know by PM or post I would be most grateful! Thanks, Prob40 |
Prob40, keep on trying mate. The majority of ACL pilots are actively looking for another job. Crew moral is currently very low in general.
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Nightcall
Thanks for your reply, I hear that ACL have changed their tune and are now only taking on low hour SOs, this is a bitter blow for me as a 3000hr + ATR SFO, the roster alone is the most important thing for me as It would allow me an occasional life at home again which, to me is priceless.
this is an extremely worrying trend that has spread almost industry wide. the implications are massive and terrible for many of us. I will keep trying to join ACL but don't have much hope if they just take low-hours. |
Prob40
If it is a home life you are looking for forget ACL at the moment, as most of the guys and girls are working MDP. Three weeks away each and every month and travel to your base at own cost ( base could be anywhere in Europe). However the salary is good, as is ops dept and the engineers on the ramp. Night call is correct though most crew looking to jump at earliest opportunity as T&Cs are being squeezed. |
420 HB is right, we are working flat out, some guys 4weeks in a row. The management say we are not short of crew but op's say we are short of numbers. If more than 2 pilots in a week go sick then they have to call someone who is on a week off or on leave to cover...it's getting worse.
We will never get back to where we were but hopefully just the 2weeks on, week contactable and week off without being pestered on our week off. The paying Irish tax situation for European based crew is another bone of contention too... This all started when our main customer put the squeeze on its feeder airlines of which we are the biggest in Europe. |
Hardcase / 420 HB
Thanks for your posts!
My current Airline is the same in that crew numbers are chronic, no pay increases, degraded T&Cs (not by much because we don't have any!) But the thing is we have a lower starting point and the crappiest roster outside of India! if you get a free week every month or two your doing better than me! and don't get me started on pay or my ATPCS will kick in. Even so I'd work for less just to get the roster. |
Prob40,
Truly sorry for you m8. The main reason for the low houred intake is for ACL to be able to put them on the new "training" payscale. The lesser hours they have, the longer they'll stay on that training scale. This means extra savings for the company. In that pattern, ACL even found it worth it to partly fund one newbie's type rating. Your 3000 hrs are your weakness at this moment in time. 420, "salary is good" ???? :ugh: Try a "normally" taxed FO salary. At best I'd say average. "T&C are being squeezed". That's more accurate. Yet, they keep on reminding us about reliability goals. Agreed this is about serving common interests. But then they should stop playing the "overcrewed" broken disc while everyone knows it's a lie and sees it as an insult to our intelligence. They tend to forget the degree of good will involved in these goals achievement. Maybe should we try and play by the rules for the sake of giving them a wake up call. Winter's coming ... Hardcase, "but hopefully just the 2weeks on, week contactable and week off without being pestered on our week off" I'd suggest you wake up ... productivity improvement is their driving factor. Nothing balances it apart from their own assessment of what they can or cannot force feed us with. The only [kind of] force we [as crews] can rely on is the employment market supply and demand unless a proper and recognized pilots association is put together within the company. Can't see that happening. But fairly enough, it's their company, they set the rules. Can't stand the heat ?.... :oh: Sad to say but they're merely another reflection of the state of the industry. |
Ok, firstly your first statement is incorrect, the reason we hired low hours pilots is due to the fact they didn't have a notice period to give as they had to start the following week after the decision had been made to hire FO's. And secondly how dare you tell me to wake up when I spent 7-8 years trying keep our t&c's intact. Judging by your username I guess you are one of those who moans and shouts in the crew room except when management turn up...
we are all on the same side and don't you forget it! |
Hardcase,
"and don't you forget it!"
SIR! NO SIR !!! I WON'T FORGET IT ... :p:p:p All right all right Hardcase. Chill out m8 We're deffo on the same side here. Maybe a smilie would have helped showing the "tongue in cheek" nature of my "wake up" suggestion. My mistake. Nothing should be taken too personally here really. I note that you did not object on the main purpose of my comment though... productivity etc... You certainly noticed this is an anonymous forum. Then how on earth do you expect people to know that you're the hero who spent 7-8 years fighting for our T&C's ?... please... Or is this about trying to guess who's who or who did what or about judging comments on the base of usernames ? Wouldn't that be somewhat childish ? Surely you know better. Anyway, my apologies for the offence. It was deffo not intended.:ok: However, while I stand corrected on the "OFFICIAL" reasons behind the low timers recruitment thing, only time will tell whether my take on the matter is wrong or right me thinks. I am hearing that should that young lad fresh out of school comply with ACL standards easily enough, the company is considering using his type of profile as a main hiring source. Bear in mind that the new "training" payscale is meant to be used. If you insist not to see a pattern developing here, then lets just agree to disagree. No big deal. I'm still on your side. I promise. I just have a different view on this one. I'm sure you won't mind. :p:p:p |
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