Hold your Horses - Horses in the Hold
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My old company had up to 3 Combis and we did a lot of horse transport.
I saw the humane killer used once when a stallion was loaded between 2 mares one of which was "on heat". When the sedative ran out we had a big problem.The procedure was that the handler was to ask the Captains permission to use the killer but events happened so quickly that we only knew that we had a problem when he rang to ask permission to re-stow the device. There is no way on a Combi that we would voluntarily
depressurize the aircraft. It might happen od a dedicated freighter but not with a load of pax
As far as balance, on shorter trips we used the centre wing tank as ballast to solve that problem. Not so useful on longer trips but worked well across the Tasman. I did one trip where staff travel rang around offering cheap flights so the pax could be human ballast. Also did a few with pallets of water containers in the front lower hold.
We always used a tail stand with upper deck freight.
I saw the humane killer used once when a stallion was loaded between 2 mares one of which was "on heat". When the sedative ran out we had a big problem.The procedure was that the handler was to ask the Captains permission to use the killer but events happened so quickly that we only knew that we had a problem when he rang to ask permission to re-stow the device. There is no way on a Combi that we would voluntarily
depressurize the aircraft. It might happen od a dedicated freighter but not with a load of pax
As far as balance, on shorter trips we used the centre wing tank as ballast to solve that problem. Not so useful on longer trips but worked well across the Tasman. I did one trip where staff travel rang around offering cheap flights so the pax could be human ballast. Also did a few with pallets of water containers in the front lower hold.
We always used a tail stand with upper deck freight.
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I think banana can take the peg of his nose, FWIW there is slightly more on the subject here
Use Of Jack-stands For 747? - Airliners.net
It is very common to see jackstands under the back end of 747s combos and freighters when parked on the ramp.
Use Of Jack-stands For 747? - Airliners.net
It is very common to see jackstands under the back end of 747s combos and freighters when parked on the ramp.
Ummmm. Never remember seeing one at JFK. I'll keep my eyes open for them. Thanks for the heads-up.
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Tail steadys are very common in cargo pits.
You will also see them used on some of the Asian carriers on pax stands at NRT.
KLM combies fly Japanese race horses in and out of Narita once in a while.
Never used a tail steady for either loading or unloading them, pax have always got off first.Abet at the far end of the cargo area so the horses can be deplaned and straight into their horse boxes.
You will also see them used on some of the Asian carriers on pax stands at NRT.
KLM combies fly Japanese race horses in and out of Narita once in a while.
Never used a tail steady for either loading or unloading them, pax have always got off first.Abet at the far end of the cargo area so the horses can be deplaned and straight into their horse boxes.
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Appears to me those camels are pretty laid-back about their less-than-economy-class ride.
If they're jammed in as tight as they appear to be, then loadshift wouldn't appear to be any kind of looming potential problem.
In stock-transport trucks, animals are tightly loaded to prevent loadshift problems, which can be just as dangerous in (multi-level) trucks, as in aircraft.
If they're jammed in as tight as they appear to be, then loadshift wouldn't appear to be any kind of looming potential problem.
In stock-transport trucks, animals are tightly loaded to prevent loadshift problems, which can be just as dangerous in (multi-level) trucks, as in aircraft.
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Flew a KL combi into KUL a few years back. On arrival we were told to stay seated until they had to offload some freight before pax could disembark.
Haven't flown KL since. (Not the only reason, their J product was crap at the time)
Haven't flown KL since. (Not the only reason, their J product was crap at the time)
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Shipped a lot of horses and other live things over the years. Never an issue except for 7 lowers of hatching eggs that went missing on NRT ramp in the summer. Kentucky fried chicks.
Interesting useless facts. Boy horses are loaded in front of girl horses so they won't try to mount. A heavy swab of mentholatime is applied to nostrils. The race horses are so used to it they just just walk right into the stallls.
Interesting useless facts. Boy horses are loaded in front of girl horses so they won't try to mount. A heavy swab of mentholatime is applied to nostrils. The race horses are so used to it they just just walk right into the stallls.
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Slightly behind the times, but I have flown a few times as a flying groom. We carried IV drugs rather than a captive bolt, sedatives mainly but enough to put one down if required, normally 3 in a pallet unless travelling 'first class' with 1 groom per pallet normally. It was great fun especially whilst in ground school.
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The flying horse stalls, HMA's, generally run at 3 horses per unit as a standard across all airlines.
i also believe that each HMA would normally have a groom with it as well.
As for the combi aircraft - KL do on occasion still operate it in to DXB. The last time was about 7 months ago when they brought a Trent 800 engine on the main deck.
This in itself does or can cause some logistical nightmares. Namely with the provision of a high loader. The standard 'LDL' used for the lower holds will not extend anywhere near high enough to get to the main deck and as such an 'MDL' would be required. In most international airports, the cargo apron would be separate from the terminal apron and the problems of shifting one across an airfield can be serious trouble. Because the trailing bed is very low hanging, any gradients that are encountered enroute would pretty much have it either grounding itself or even tearing up the GSE roads. Not to mention that the moving speed is less than 5 KPH too.
i also believe that each HMA would normally have a groom with it as well.
As for the combi aircraft - KL do on occasion still operate it in to DXB. The last time was about 7 months ago when they brought a Trent 800 engine on the main deck.
This in itself does or can cause some logistical nightmares. Namely with the provision of a high loader. The standard 'LDL' used for the lower holds will not extend anywhere near high enough to get to the main deck and as such an 'MDL' would be required. In most international airports, the cargo apron would be separate from the terminal apron and the problems of shifting one across an airfield can be serious trouble. Because the trailing bed is very low hanging, any gradients that are encountered enroute would pretty much have it either grounding itself or even tearing up the GSE roads. Not to mention that the moving speed is less than 5 KPH too.
