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Cargolux NOT taking delivery of new 747-8

Old 19th Sep 2011, 12:11
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Latest news from Flightglobal: Cargolux 747-8F dispute linked to late Qatar 787 deliveries.

These negotiations continue and may come to fruition as early as this week, said a source familiar with the situation.
Let's wait and see.
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Old 19th Sep 2011, 13:37
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Al Baker trying to double down? never. Are Cargolux contractually commited to release any more used 400F`s to other airlines soon. I know they had to release some to UPS based on the original time line, leaving them short and looking for lift. Hope it all gets sorted and the jets are flying with Cargolux crews soon.
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Old 19th Sep 2011, 20:24
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Question B747800

Flightglobal indicating the refusal by Cargolux on-8 delivery is linked to 787 compensation for Qatar who recently aquired 36% of CLX.
Has a delivery ever been refused before on non technical terms?
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Old 19th Sep 2011, 20:51
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many times - when the airline got into financial troubles.
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Old 19th Sep 2011, 22:33
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Leatherman

I hope this isn't supposed to be 'news'.

After all there were two other better informed threads running long before your attempt to put your name into the lights.
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Old 19th Sep 2011, 22:54
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Lightbulb Hong Kong fooey

My name in lights? Not since the music hall closed. But I take your acid point thank you oh illuminating one.
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Old 20th Sep 2011, 12:50
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Depends on your compliance department .. In the case of CV the national press is going to town for them .. Hot news as the cycling season has finished
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Old 20th Sep 2011, 12:56
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My sticky and spherical friend
Love it . . .

Mr Smack1 needs one (1smack?), this is a RUMOURS thread after all. How are we going to keep lawyers in business if we don't 'bend' a few rules?

Some freighting companies write into the contract that you're not allowed to discuss the business - is Cargolux one of those . . . ?
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Old 20th Sep 2011, 15:34
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The Cargolux-boss is said to have stated during a union meeting today that he still wants to take his ordered a/c from Boeing. He's "in talks" with Boeing. No general change in company-strategy is planned.

only a german language source for this:
Cargolux will 747-8F weiterhin abnehmen - FLUG REVUE
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Old 21st Sep 2011, 00:14
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Below is the German article translated into English via a computer based program so you have to decipher a little bit more of the article . . . but you can get the "jist" of it. Enjoy!


The airline will continue to Cargolux ordered by their Boeing 747-8F, Boeing removed. This signals the Luxembourg newspaper "Tageblatt" as a result of a meeting of company CEO Frank rhymes with union representatives in Luxembourg.


Rhymes have explained the trade unionists, we are engaged in intensive discussions with Boeing and the aircraft would necessarily decrease, so the daily paper. The airline does not plan to change course.

On Friday had the Cargolux Board met and appointed the acceptance of two Boeing 747-8F to Cargolux because of "contractual problems" refused by surprise. Boeing had then planned for the last Monday of the first formal presentation to cancel 747-8 to Cargolux. On Wednesday, the second plane would be passed.

So far it is unclear what could be some not, the two parties. Cargolux is a longtime Boeing customer base, which has ordered a total of 13 Boeing 747-8F.
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Old 21st Sep 2011, 17:51
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luchtvaarnieuws.nl writes the following (summarised)

The B747-8F uses 2.7% more fuel then was promised. This was cocnluded after the variety of test flights. Cargolux already agreed on a compensation in June but since Qatar holds 35% of CLX they rejected that offer just before delivery. They now want another compensation from Boeing and from GE. GE is now working a PIP (performance increase package) for the GENX-2B. This reduces the higher fuel usage to 1.1%. Problem is that this package will be available at earliest at the 3rd quarter of 2012. Boeing and GE are also working together to modifications to increase the performance of the B747-8F

source (in Dutch): Article - Luchtvaartnieuws
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Old 21st Sep 2011, 23:16
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Flight is now reporting Atlas Air is refusing the first 3 out of its order for 12 747-8Fs due to efficiency shortfalls.

Atlas Air nixes order for three 747-8Fs
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Old 22nd Sep 2011, 15:07
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Latest rumour from Seattle is that LX-VCB will be delivered to Cargolux on Tuesday 27th September.
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Old 22nd Sep 2011, 17:43
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So who else is to take those early birds?
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Old 22nd Sep 2011, 18:51
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Lufty Cargo took the first one.
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Old 22nd Sep 2011, 19:10
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Reading the news, it appears Cathay also joined in the game.. Interesting!
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Old 22nd Sep 2011, 20:40
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Say Again and Ray,

Sources?
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 01:05
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Flight international or the Lufty inflight magazine if you can be bothered to look...
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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 01:35
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Flight international or the Lufty inflight magazine
Take a deep breath Slowly. Just asking.

Been following this and hadn't seen those anywhere.

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Old 23rd Sep 2011, 01:41
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Think you will find Lufthansa has ordered the pax version, 20 aircraft delivery to start early next year. Lufthansa Cargo is going with the B777F via is subsidiary AeroLogic.
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