FEDEX starting up in cologne
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FEDEX starting up in cologne
Loose Rumour floating around about Fedex starting up in cologne with 75/76 operation. Rumour has it that they need european pilots to operate a number of these A/C around Europe. 
Can anyone confirm this or shed some light on this topic maybe ?
Stay safe!
Can anyone confirm this or shed some light on this topic maybe ? Stay safe!
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FedEx are not starting up in CGN. They have been operating out of CGN for some time now. The change is that there is possibly going to be a CGN crew domicile for the 757. The Airbus flying will remain SIBA. This will be the second crew domicile outside of the domestic US after HKG. I don't think any European crew will be hired. The current crew force will bid it.
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There is something good the EU guys in Brussels can do for once ... don't let this happen .
But since there is a hugh pilot shortage in Europe anyway and carriers can't find anymore pilots , plus we Europeans can do the same in the US , flying EU registered aircrafts and being based there , why would they not allow it ?
But since there is a hugh pilot shortage in Europe anyway and carriers can't find anymore pilots , plus we Europeans can do the same in the US , flying EU registered aircrafts and being based there , why would they not allow it ?
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There is something good the EU guys in Brussels can do for once ... don't let this happen .
But since there is a hugh pilot shortage in Europe anyway and carriers can't find anymore pilots , plus we Europeans can do the same in the US , flying EU registered aircrafts and being based there , why would they not allow it ?
But since there is a hugh pilot shortage in Europe anyway and carriers can't find anymore pilots , plus we Europeans can do the same in the US , flying EU registered aircrafts and being based there , why would they not allow it ?
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As long as I still need a f*****g visa to operate my a/c into the United States and do an interview at a US embassy every time I have to renew it
and go through hell when I privately travel to the US because I hold a pilot visa
and am blamed to illegally want to immigrate because 'every pilot wants to fly in the US', we should give them no chance for that easy shot.
Sorry
and go through hell when I privately travel to the US because I hold a pilot visa
and am blamed to illegally want to immigrate because 'every pilot wants to fly in the US', we should give them no chance for that easy shot.
Sorry
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This is such BS. I hope someone in Brussels puts an end to this fast. This is cabotage? Didn't easy need to start giving out French contract because they had pilots based in France, not to mention FR who closed its base in MRS. How are Fedex getting away with employing pilots who work and are based in the EU or better yet France on U.S. contracts.
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Did somebody say a european pilot shortage.......
IF that is the case why is there still P2F going on? If there was a shortage, bottom feeder cargo ops like west atlantic wouldn't be able to get away with charging £17000 for an ATP rating. If there was a pilot shortage my terms and conditions would have improved. I might have got a pay offer that would at least meant I would have been offered something that would have kept my wages increasing. Well at least at the same rate as the cost of living and inflation. But no.
As has been said before, When I can fly and earn in america then I will be more than happy to see the americans doing the same here. Until then our bloody unions should be lobbying to sort this out. I pay BALPA enough. European pilot unions, we pay you to represent our interests, SORT IT OUT.
IF that is the case why is there still P2F going on? If there was a shortage, bottom feeder cargo ops like west atlantic wouldn't be able to get away with charging £17000 for an ATP rating. If there was a pilot shortage my terms and conditions would have improved. I might have got a pay offer that would at least meant I would have been offered something that would have kept my wages increasing. Well at least at the same rate as the cost of living and inflation. But no.
As has been said before, When I can fly and earn in america then I will be more than happy to see the americans doing the same here. Until then our bloody unions should be lobbying to sort this out. I pay BALPA enough. European pilot unions, we pay you to represent our interests, SORT IT OUT.
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FED EX: WE EU Pilots WILL NOT accept this. be aware.
I have 4 collegues who have contacted their respective legistlative representatives and they were apalled and were going to take this to the European Comission for explanation and rectification.
This CAN NOT pass.
I have 4 collegues who have contacted their respective legistlative representatives and they were apalled and were going to take this to the European Comission for explanation and rectification.
This CAN NOT pass.
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From: EGSS
Not being rude but i'm sure that a company as large has FedEx has done it's homework and found it legal to do so or they wouldn't have put a company bid out?
I'm sure they're not the first international carrier to put a crew base in a country other than their own??
I'm sure they're not the first international carrier to put a crew base in a country other than their own??
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Not being rude but i'm sure that a company as large has FedEx has done it's homework
Two, laws can and do change.
If enough countries care, one line will suffice: No airline registered outside the EU shall be permitted to operate scheduled flights wholly within the EU.
Add some legalese to define terms such as "scheduled flights" and "wholly within" and FedEx can go home or sub-contract the intra-EU flying.
they're not the first international carrier to put a crew base in a country other than their own??
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(Hi To you All Can any one give my some info how to apply.
I got FAA ATP And I am resident in EU)
You cant, and nether can I.
I have all the required documents, right to live and work in the US, FAA licenses heavy PIC time only problem is I have lived for more then 6 months outside the US in the last 5 years.
Complete discrimination.
Anyway time to write a letter to my representative in Brussels and see if we can stop this.
I got FAA ATP And I am resident in EU)
You cant, and nether can I.
I have all the required documents, right to live and work in the US, FAA licenses heavy PIC time only problem is I have lived for more then 6 months outside the US in the last 5 years.
Complete discrimination.
Anyway time to write a letter to my representative in Brussels and see if we can stop this.
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From: EGSS
What's defined as "wholly within". The intra-european routes are mostly continuations of long-haul flight numbers. A portion of the intra-european used to be contracted out until 2008 to ACL but then the rules changed and FedEx took over the route themselves.
I have answered the OP's question and will comment no more on whats resulted.
I have answered the OP's question and will comment no more on whats resulted.
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I will add some more fuel to the fire.
FedEx is already slowly taking over the feeder routes (intra-European) from ACL and similar companies with their 757's and rumour says that by the end of 2012 all feeder routes will be flown by FedEx themselves with N-registered airplanes and US crew.
More discrimination as feeder companies in Europe are not allowed to operate jets on feeder routes, thereby FedEx is keeping the 8+ tonnes cargo segment within Europe for themselves.
The agreement from the Marshall aid is becoming outdated.
This can and will be stopped!
FedEx is already slowly taking over the feeder routes (intra-European) from ACL and similar companies with their 757's and rumour says that by the end of 2012 all feeder routes will be flown by FedEx themselves with N-registered airplanes and US crew.
More discrimination as feeder companies in Europe are not allowed to operate jets on feeder routes, thereby FedEx is keeping the 8+ tonnes cargo segment within Europe for themselves.
The agreement from the Marshall aid is becoming outdated.
This can and will be stopped!
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As an ACL employee, I am hearing that B757 will be taking more routes that ATR72 is currently operating...we are getting base changes and total disruption both professionally and personally with us getting a take it or leave it 60days notice...
The latest is B757 taking over the MAN-STN-CDG route from September with US crews
The latest is B757 taking over the MAN-STN-CDG route from September with US crews