Leasing rate of a 757F?
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Leasing rate of a 757F?
Dear all.
I am trying to do something new.
Therefore I am trying to find the leasing rate for a 757F from around year 1986 with about 72000 hours and 24000 cycles, does anyone know?
And... What would the cost per hour be with around 2500 hours of production per year for a 757?
If anyone can help I would appreciate!
Thanks!
KRE
I am trying to do something new.
Therefore I am trying to find the leasing rate for a 757F from around year 1986 with about 72000 hours and 24000 cycles, does anyone know?
And... What would the cost per hour be with around 2500 hours of production per year for a 757?
If anyone can help I would appreciate!
Thanks!
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Trying to bend my head around your post.
An aircraft's lease rate has nothing to do with it's hrs or cycles.
More to do with dry rate (aircraft avilability is the driver) and wet rate (how much does it cost to operate?). Right now there is a market for 752f's as a large US based operator can not get them through mod quickly enough.
If you are to aquire one, crew and maintain one the wet rate for you id based on demand for this size freighter and the fuel burn per hour your customer is willing to pay. The more efficient the more mony on your end.
Think you are asking how costly is a 752f to operate per hr fuel/lb or kilo. This is the selling factor in ACMI operations. I know of more 752's in acmi contracts than -f's.
Heavy mx is usually on the owner (your hrs and cycles play a factor here) and engines but this is detailed in a dry lease contract.
Suppose the first thing you need to know is the fuel burn at mgw/cruise, have a market that can take advantage of optimal usage then sell based on the hourly fuel costs and the variable of your operating costs in mind.
Not knowing your position in the transaction you inquire makes it hard for me to say. But dry,wet or complete ACMI would help.
Info 752F drivers could provide on fuel burn would help none the less, I do not have this information atmy finger tips at this moment.
I love the ACMI business, hope this was not a useless rant.
An aircraft's lease rate has nothing to do with it's hrs or cycles.
More to do with dry rate (aircraft avilability is the driver) and wet rate (how much does it cost to operate?). Right now there is a market for 752f's as a large US based operator can not get them through mod quickly enough.
If you are to aquire one, crew and maintain one the wet rate for you id based on demand for this size freighter and the fuel burn per hour your customer is willing to pay. The more efficient the more mony on your end.
Think you are asking how costly is a 752f to operate per hr fuel/lb or kilo. This is the selling factor in ACMI operations. I know of more 752's in acmi contracts than -f's.
Heavy mx is usually on the owner (your hrs and cycles play a factor here) and engines but this is detailed in a dry lease contract.
Suppose the first thing you need to know is the fuel burn at mgw/cruise, have a market that can take advantage of optimal usage then sell based on the hourly fuel costs and the variable of your operating costs in mind.
Not knowing your position in the transaction you inquire makes it hard for me to say. But dry,wet or complete ACMI would help.
Info 752F drivers could provide on fuel burn would help none the less, I do not have this information atmy finger tips at this moment.
I love the ACMI business, hope this was not a useless rant.
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Hi Grounded27
Thanks for your feedback, was good for me!
It looks like you know something about the business yourself!
I guess i did not explain myself good enough. The thing I would like to do is either to dry lease or purchase a 75F myself and do ACMI/wet lease.
I am hopping for the ACMI market! But for me to do the calculation on the 75F I would need more specific numbers on the AC. That is why i am trying to find the monthly leasing rate, that I have to pay the bank! And As you mentioned yourself fuel flow, engine and overall maintenance and so on. I know the flying part pretty ok, I fly but not the 757, yet!
I would appreciate any input from anyone, thanks a lot!
KRE
Thanks for your feedback, was good for me!
It looks like you know something about the business yourself!
I guess i did not explain myself good enough. The thing I would like to do is either to dry lease or purchase a 75F myself and do ACMI/wet lease.
I am hopping for the ACMI market! But for me to do the calculation on the 75F I would need more specific numbers on the AC. That is why i am trying to find the monthly leasing rate, that I have to pay the bank! And As you mentioned yourself fuel flow, engine and overall maintenance and so on. I know the flying part pretty ok, I fly but not the 757, yet!
I would appreciate any input from anyone, thanks a lot!
KRE
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Thanks Four eng jock
That was very helpful. Do you have any other specifications on the 75F?
If it is to any help I can say that the distance that I am looking for is 2500 nm sector with a rwy of 1800 meters for take of. How much pay load can I take on that sector?
And how much is the payload for a 3300 nm sector?
And still how much is the hourly cost for the 75F?
All is on a standard day.
Thanks all of you out there!
KRE
That was very helpful. Do you have any other specifications on the 75F?
If it is to any help I can say that the distance that I am looking for is 2500 nm sector with a rwy of 1800 meters for take of. How much pay load can I take on that sector?
And how much is the payload for a 3300 nm sector?
And still how much is the hourly cost for the 75F?
All is on a standard day.
Thanks all of you out there!
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Some figures from the last flight I did on a 75 (Pax config aircraft; don't know about a Cargo config)
TOW = 110.5 tons
Payload = 20.5 tons
Fuel Burn = 23.3 tons
2550 NM sector, approx. 6 hours sector
Takeoff from a 2200m Rwy
Aircraft: MTOW = 115 tons; OWE = 61.5 tons
Works out, roughly, 3.9 tons fuel flow/hr (which sounds about right as we were close to MTOW of the aircraft). As a general figure for "ball park" calculations we use 3.5 tons Fuel Flow/hour. Would say that performance wouldn't allow for much more than that. Fuel at end of flight was 5.5 tons, so you could fly for another 20 or 25 mins before you start entering on your final reserves.
About your Rwy of 1800 m, have a suspiction that is going to greatly limit your performance and payloads you can eventually takeoff from there but I'm not able to offer any data on that right now.
Good luck with your business plans!!!
Zero
Some figures from the last flight I did on a 75 (Pax config aircraft; don't know about a Cargo config)
TOW = 110.5 tons
Payload = 20.5 tons
Fuel Burn = 23.3 tons
2550 NM sector, approx. 6 hours sector
Takeoff from a 2200m Rwy
Aircraft: MTOW = 115 tons; OWE = 61.5 tons
Works out, roughly, 3.9 tons fuel flow/hr (which sounds about right as we were close to MTOW of the aircraft). As a general figure for "ball park" calculations we use 3.5 tons Fuel Flow/hour. Would say that performance wouldn't allow for much more than that. Fuel at end of flight was 5.5 tons, so you could fly for another 20 or 25 mins before you start entering on your final reserves.
About your Rwy of 1800 m, have a suspiction that is going to greatly limit your performance and payloads you can eventually takeoff from there but I'm not able to offer any data on that right now.
Good luck with your business plans!!!
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Hi Zerograv
Thanks a lot for the details! that is a big help for us!
If you can get the details for the 1800m rwy, about how much you can take of with in payload and still fly for 2500nm. I would appreciate a lot!
Ones again, thanks to you all!
Kre
Thanks a lot for the details! that is a big help for us!
If you can get the details for the 1800m rwy, about how much you can take of with in payload and still fly for 2500nm. I would appreciate a lot!
Ones again, thanks to you all!
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Hi Boredcounter
Tanks for asking.
I just want to know, with max payload on an 1800m rwy on a standard day how much fuel can I take and how many nm can I fly?
And, if I want to fly a distance of 2500nm what would be the max payload?
The airport could be EGPD Aberdeen, it is 1829m.
The obstacles are of no interest, it is the field performance that I would like to know, what can I takeoff with!
Ones again, thanks for the help.
KRE
Tanks for asking.
I just want to know, with max payload on an 1800m rwy on a standard day how much fuel can I take and how many nm can I fly?
And, if I want to fly a distance of 2500nm what would be the max payload?
The airport could be EGPD Aberdeen, it is 1829m.
The obstacles are of no interest, it is the field performance that I would like to know, what can I takeoff with!
Ones again, thanks for the help.
KRE
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@ MTOM and off an 1800m runway, the Crew may well be very interested in the obstacles...................
Not in the office till Wednesday, but subject to: no cost to my Employer and given time I will have a look at ABZ for you (as an example).
If I get the time, please bear in mind, I work with pre86, non E4 engined 757s.
APS is approx 55,000Kg
MTOW up to 108000Kg
MZFW around 83000Kg
About 28000Kg is the max payload, regardless of fuel or runway perf issues.
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Not in the office till Wednesday, but subject to: no cost to my Employer and given time I will have a look at ABZ for you (as an example).
If I get the time, please bear in mind, I work with pre86, non E4 engined 757s.
APS is approx 55,000Kg
MTOW up to 108000Kg
MZFW around 83000Kg
About 28000Kg is the max payload, regardless of fuel or runway perf issues.
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Hi Bored
Thanks for your help! I am waiting for your info.
But one thing. On boeings webpage they say that MZFW is 90700kg and SOEW is 51700kg that is 39000kg for payload.
KRE
Thanks for your help! I am waiting for your info.
But one thing. On boeings webpage they say that MZFW is 90700kg and SOEW is 51700kg that is 39000kg for payload.
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Think I understand you now.
The numbers you have sound more like -200PF weights. My company operates -200SF models.
All the details I could try and look at for you would be useless for your research in that case. I do not have any PF data available, sorry.
Good luck anyways mate,
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The numbers you have sound more like -200PF weights. My company operates -200SF models.
All the details I could try and look at for you would be useless for your research in that case. I do not have any PF data available, sorry.
Good luck anyways mate,
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Hi KC
Thanks.
Is that all for a abz? Ok so that would be around 9000kg of fuel, am I right that it would give me just over 2 hours flight time around 900nm?
KRE
Thanks.
Is that all for a abz? Ok so that would be around 9000kg of fuel, am I right that it would give me just over 2 hours flight time around 900nm?
KRE