Dangerous goods as company material
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From: D(Emona)
Dangerous goods as company material
We wish to carry small, portable internal combustion electrical generator used to be used for portable electrial heater during the winter.
It would be stowed in the accessible cargo compartment during the flight and put on the apron when used but would generally stay on board all the time as company material.
What I would like to know is how to declare this to be legal (and safe)?
I checked IATA DGR manual and found only provisions for internal combustion engine, which of course has to be properly packed, drained and documented, including airwaybill, declaration and notoc but nothing for company material.
Any ideas, thoughts, recommendations?
It would be stowed in the accessible cargo compartment during the flight and put on the apron when used but would generally stay on board all the time as company material.
What I would like to know is how to declare this to be legal (and safe)?
I checked IATA DGR manual and found only provisions for internal combustion engine, which of course has to be properly packed, drained and documented, including airwaybill, declaration and notoc but nothing for company material.
Any ideas, thoughts, recommendations?
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This seems a non-starter from a few angles. The big question is why would you want to do this in the first place.
There are more appropriate ways to heat an aircraft & I'm pretty sure that there will be a purpose designed heating system.
If you are overnighting on an apron, then you should have ground power available. If you have ground power, then even if you have to use an electric heater then a fixed or portable ground power supply is a more appropriate supply than something thrown into & out of the hold each time you need to use it.
Ultimately, if you pursue this route, please make it a fixed, permanently installed & dedicated APU in a properly engineered, documented, approved, inspected and recorded manner by competent people.
There are more appropriate ways to heat an aircraft & I'm pretty sure that there will be a purpose designed heating system.
If you are overnighting on an apron, then you should have ground power available. If you have ground power, then even if you have to use an electric heater then a fixed or portable ground power supply is a more appropriate supply than something thrown into & out of the hold each time you need to use it.
Ultimately, if you pursue this route, please make it a fixed, permanently installed & dedicated APU in a properly engineered, documented, approved, inspected and recorded manner by competent people.
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The problem isn't the generator itself, it's the fuel it needs and the vapour left in it's tank after it has been drained.
Why do you need heating in the first place?
Is a portable petrol genny enough to heat an aeroplane? It would have to be a small plane to have much effect, so the genny is going to be a significant weight penalty.
You can't safely or legally carry the genny anyway, let alone it's fuel cans in the aeroplane, and draining the genny's tank may make the risk worse. Totally unacceptable.
What airport would allow you to leave a petrol genny running close to an aeroplane?
The insurance company, to say nothing of the CAA would take a very dim view of this indeed.
Forget it. Buy a down parka instead.
Why do you need heating in the first place?
Is a portable petrol genny enough to heat an aeroplane? It would have to be a small plane to have much effect, so the genny is going to be a significant weight penalty.
You can't safely or legally carry the genny anyway, let alone it's fuel cans in the aeroplane, and draining the genny's tank may make the risk worse. Totally unacceptable.
What airport would allow you to leave a petrol genny running close to an aeroplane?
The insurance company, to say nothing of the CAA would take a very dim view of this indeed.
Forget it. Buy a down parka instead.
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From: D(Emona)
Unfortunately there aren't many choices on Saab 340.. we used this setup in Oslo and at present location but didn't carry the generator on board as we wish to do so now.
Perhaps a 28V blower with an adapter for GPU plug would work
Have to search for it.
thanks for info so far
Perhaps a 28V blower with an adapter for GPU plug would work
Have to search for it.thanks for info so far
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The other option would be to make an application to the CAA to include it as part of the flight kit. There would still need to be precautions taken with respect to the fuel and prevention of any leaks.
