Avient MD11 Bierset EBLG
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liegetrucker
It seems that you have allot of animosity towards these guys.
I do understand that very well. But you’re making things worse for yourself by writing all the Bad things that go on at Avient. If you’re so unhappy there, why stay.
The employees make the airline not the owners. Stand up to them and they will listen. If they don’t, leave.
If you all stand together things can change for the better.( Sometimes)
It seems that you have allot of animosity towards these guys.
I do understand that very well. But you’re making things worse for yourself by writing all the Bad things that go on at Avient. If you’re so unhappy there, why stay.
The employees make the airline not the owners. Stand up to them and they will listen. If they don’t, leave.
If you all stand together things can change for the better.( Sometimes)
Last edited by four engine jock; 25th October 2010 at 05:08.
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411A
You’re so right. We see that all time here on PPRUNE.
In the end it’s up to all the crews to stand together to make a better place to work.
If you follow the rules you can’t go wrong. Don’t let the bean counters take control of safety, as they are not the ones flying the aircraft.
But we must remember that there will always be crews that will break the rules.
If you do it once the company will assume it’s you duty to do it all the time.
You’re so right. We see that all time here on PPRUNE.
In the end it’s up to all the crews to stand together to make a better place to work.
If you follow the rules you can’t go wrong. Don’t let the bean counters take control of safety, as they are not the ones flying the aircraft.
But we must remember that there will always be crews that will break the rules.
If you do it once the company will assume it’s you duty to do it all the time.
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411a / Fej
Said employees are probably caught between a rock and the proverbial hard place. They got suckered into the job and jumped at the chance of employment only to discover that all was not as it was portrayed. They now find themselves desperate to get out but there is very little work out there in the industry. You do not walk if you have a mortgage and bills to pay and a family to feed unless you have a firm offer of alternative employment. What you see here is guys with a conscience offering up a warning to others who may be tempted into working for this outfit.
"The employees make the airline not the owners. Stand up to them and they will listen."
In this case you could not be further from the truth, but until you have had first hand experience, may I suggest you sit back, listen and learn.
Stand up to Mr Smith and get shown the exit. Simple as that. It does not matter how much experience you may have or how good you are at your job, things are done his way, nobody else matters. Rules and regulations, they are for other people and that goes for operational procedures, crew duty hours, cargo and Dangerous Goods etc etc.
Things will never get better within Avient, they will continue to operate under Mr Smiths terms and his terms only as he honestly believes he is untouchable and if he ever gets his Belgium AOC it will only compound the issue.
It may appear that these people are just whining about the man they work for, but look at it from a different angle and accept that what they are saying is really a warning to anyone considering getting involved. A quick look at the turnover of staff should convince you of that. So, stop being so quick to criticise, these guys are in the worst possible situation and until they find another job in the real world, give them a little credit for hanging on in there, if only to pay the bills. Continually criticising them and making daft suggestions is not helping them.
"The employees make the airline not the owners. Stand up to them and they will listen."
In this case you could not be further from the truth, but until you have had first hand experience, may I suggest you sit back, listen and learn.
Stand up to Mr Smith and get shown the exit. Simple as that. It does not matter how much experience you may have or how good you are at your job, things are done his way, nobody else matters. Rules and regulations, they are for other people and that goes for operational procedures, crew duty hours, cargo and Dangerous Goods etc etc.Things will never get better within Avient, they will continue to operate under Mr Smiths terms and his terms only as he honestly believes he is untouchable and if he ever gets his Belgium AOC it will only compound the issue.
It may appear that these people are just whining about the man they work for, but look at it from a different angle and accept that what they are saying is really a warning to anyone considering getting involved. A quick look at the turnover of staff should convince you of that. So, stop being so quick to criticise, these guys are in the worst possible situation and until they find another job in the real world, give them a little credit for hanging on in there, if only to pay the bills. Continually criticising them and making daft suggestions is not helping them.
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Binthere
I totally understand what you’re saying. Very true!! A hard position to be in these days. I have been there before myself. I understand they are venting their frustrations here, but this will not prevent guys in dire straits from joining them. When you have to put food on the table we will do whatever it takes.
If they get there AOC in Belgium it would be better for the crews. Belgium has a very strong union culture and they will not be able to get away with things as with a Zim AOC.
I would suggest that crews start laying their complaints with ICAO or to the Belgium CAA by way of confidential reports. Maybe it will help.
I wish all flight crews and ground staff at Avient the very best.
I totally understand what you’re saying. Very true!! A hard position to be in these days. I have been there before myself. I understand they are venting their frustrations here, but this will not prevent guys in dire straits from joining them. When you have to put food on the table we will do whatever it takes.
If they get there AOC in Belgium it would be better for the crews. Belgium has a very strong union culture and they will not be able to get away with things as with a Zim AOC.
I would suggest that crews start laying their complaints with ICAO or to the Belgium CAA by way of confidential reports. Maybe it will help.
I wish all flight crews and ground staff at Avient the very best.
