common rating - 737-200 and 757-200

[cargocaptain]

Hi,
Can any body tell me whether any country's regulator permits crew to have common rating to fly the 737-200 and the 757-200 in cargo role simultaneously ?

[Intruder]

None. The US has a common rating for 757 and 767, but not 737 and 757.

[CargoOne]

Common rating for 732 and 752 - not even in Dark Africa. However nothing prevents you from having two ratings endorsed and current.

[Intruder]

The FAA doesn't like it for Part 121 ops. They require extra Proficiency checks...

[cargocaptain]

737-200 and 757-200 common rating

Thanks Intruder and Cargo One! That is exactly what I thought too! But how does one convince an aviation illiterate higher management?!! Can you guys give me any lead to regulationary provisions on the subject. Appreciate your inputs.

[411A]

The FAA doesn't like it for Part 121 ops. They require extra Proficiency checks...

True now, however, in the past I personally knew two guys who held three types on license, current and line qualified.
They both were at TWA, and were triple line qualified...B747, B767, L1011.
Concurrently.
Extra sim checks?
Yes.
However these folks were very switched on, and enjoyed the challange.

Both Captains had their favorite, of course.
It was....?

TriStar.

No surprise, either. It simply is a better designed airplane.

[CargoOne]

Cargocaptain,

Here is JAA type rating list http://easa.europa.eu/ws_prod/c/doc/...ement_list.pdf

You can see there what types require separate rating and what can be under a common rating with differences courses.

I'm not qualified to comment on FAA land, but EASA/JAA land having 2 current type ratings are not rare, however airlines are usually asked by authorities to specify some conditions in ops manual in this regard.

[millerscourt]

I used to fly B737-200's and B707-320C in the late 70's on alternate days sometimes and later on B757/767 which were of course almost the same . Just had to remember which one had the step down into the cockpit.

Whilst on the B767 I kept my B737 rating current as a backup and the day after having been in the B737 simulator I got airborne in a B767 and had a momentary cause for concern when I trimmed manually and heard nothing whereas on the B737 the trim wheel clattered when it moved compared to silence on the B767.

[JW411]

When I worked on the other side of the Pond in the 1980's, most of the DC-8 guys were dual-qualified on the B707. They turned up for work and flew whichever one was given them.

The CP and FOD were quadruple-qualified (707, 727, DC-8 and DC-10). The pair of them spent half their lives staying current in the various sims!

[cargocaptain]

737-200 and 757-200 common rating

Thank You all for the inputs. Those where good old days when the big jets had conventional flight decks. One happily flew with basic skills. Automation has made the difference today and hence the regulators in my part of the world doesnt want a Pilot jumping from an automated flight deck to conventional one, may be relevant for low time folks building up experience.

[slowto280]

Arrow?

I find it hard to believe that any company (even Arrow in Miami) would be able to allow crewmembers to be current and qualified on 4 different types. Perhaps they went to the sim, but if they flew 4 different types on a regular basis, I can't imagine that being in the ops manual as being legal. 2 different types; yes, 4 different types; jail time (even in MIA in the 80's).

[IweinVanCaelenberg]

type ratings and JAR FCL

JAR FCL 1.235: there is no limit on the number of ratings that can be held at any one time, but there may be limits on the number of ratings that can be exercised at any one time.