Can a pilot object to transpot live animals?
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: California, USA
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hey Indupilot...Are you sure you're not just another journo trying to stir the pot on a slow news day? The logical conclsion to your argument or premise is millions of service workers, globally, refusing to perform their jobs because they don't feel like it since they may or may not have "heard" something, somewhere that wasn't "just so" in whatever they were doing. Oh, and only lawyers and judges can sort it all out.
Silly.
Silly.
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: 3433N 06912E
Posts: 389
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My first flying "job" was dropping two sacks of Winalot dog-biscuits from a microlight onto the (two day starved) hounds of a fox-hunt in UK. The dogs sensibly all gave up the hunt for the free biscuits. I ended up with a criminal record - but it has been a great asset to me later in my career as it demonstrated my commitment to a worthwhile cause - to defend animals against torment for human pleasure..
Deliberate violation of the Air Navigation Order is NOT a great asset to a career as a Professional Pilot.
The forum is Pprune; Professional Pilot Rumour Network.
Emphasis on Professional.
Personal views on morality to deliberately violate regulations is not professional.
Criminal record ? You should have had your license tugged!
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: The 'Bat Cave' @ HLP in the Big Durian Indo
Age: 61
Posts: 781
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
As a stout selective vegetable liberationist I can understand 'some' of the sentiments expressed here (I eat meat out of respect for selected vegetables , particularly brocoli which I haven't eaten since being forced as a child)
I am always willing to stand and fight for a vegetable in distress as long as it asks for help .... but it hasn't happened yet.
I think if the dogs , orangos , gerbils or whatever can plead a good case not to be flown on their own to the crew or freight company management then they should be heard. A mass break out in flight would get their attention.
To the rest of you for your own sake's get a life instead of being hero's in your own lunch time by being dog biscuit bombers or assaulting people who are doing things you don't agree with.
What happened to minding your own business.
I am always willing to stand and fight for a vegetable in distress as long as it asks for help .... but it hasn't happened yet.
I think if the dogs , orangos , gerbils or whatever can plead a good case not to be flown on their own to the crew or freight company management then they should be heard. A mass break out in flight would get their attention.
To the rest of you for your own sake's get a life instead of being hero's in your own lunch time by being dog biscuit bombers or assaulting people who are doing things you don't agree with.
What happened to minding your own business.
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Belgium
Age: 62
Posts: 126
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
So Cirrus, whilst you were dropping dog biscuits in violation of the air navigation order and 'proudly' earning yourself a criminal record in the process, your accomplices were stringing piano wire between trees to inflict horrific wounds on horses thus rendering them unable to participate.
Cruelty to animals in all forms is disgusting - but your methods as activists in pursuit of reform are reprehensible and irresponsible. Please stay away from aviation and do the decent thing by surrendering your license. We neither need nor want your sort amongst us.
Cruelty to animals in all forms is disgusting - but your methods as activists in pursuit of reform are reprehensible and irresponsible. Please stay away from aviation and do the decent thing by surrendering your license. We neither need nor want your sort amongst us.
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: The 'Bat Cave' @ HLP in the Big Durian Indo
Age: 61
Posts: 781
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Cruelty to animals in all forms is disgusting - but your methods as activists in pursuit of reform are reprehensible and irresponsible. Please stay away from aviation and do the decent thing by surrendering your license. We neither need nor want your sort amongst us.
After biscuit bombing this guy went a lot further ...
http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/365...er-charge.html
I wonder if this particular pilot is still proud of what he did in defence of helpless animals ?
Activists and aviation don't mix
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: England
Posts: 1,389
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I never talked about interfering with people individual rights or belief, I was talking about objecting to transport live animals destined to a cruel death as this may be against the pilot moral or religious belief.
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 3,218
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Anyone who commits criminal acts by dropping objects from an aircraft is neither Professional nor a decent pilot.
I think you've proved you're disqualified to partake in a discussion such as this.
Go away, you don't belong here among honest decent people.
I think you've proved you're disqualified to partake in a discussion such as this.
Go away, you don't belong here among honest decent people.
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Abroad
Posts: 1,172
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Dog Biscuits
Ah, I see the Holier-Than-Thou (And Rightly So) brigade are out en force today. 
Wonder what happened to getting a life, minding your own business, not talking about things you have no knowledge of (or at least not being an opinionated prick about it
), and of course, feeding the dogs once in a while so other people don't have to. 
High horses and all that
Wonder what happened to getting a life, minding your own business, not talking about things you have no knowledge of (or at least not being an opinionated prick about it
), and of course, feeding the dogs once in a while so other people don't have to. High horses and all that
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: The 'Bat Cave' @ HLP in the Big Durian Indo
Age: 61
Posts: 781
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Good point LH2
From my perspective I've just had a gutful of the PC , greenie , pro this , anti that crap
I'll go back to my cave now and light up a cigarette
From my perspective I've just had a gutful of the PC , greenie , pro this , anti that crap
I'll go back to my cave now and light up a cigarette
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: U.K.
Age: 46
Posts: 3,112
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What sort of daft question is this?
A professional pilot can refuse to do anything they want, but they will then be sacked for not performing a legal request from their company. Often that is simple gross misconduct.
Fairly simple really.
A professional pilot can refuse to do anything they want, but they will then be sacked for not performing a legal request from their company. Often that is simple gross misconduct.
Fairly simple really.
Ab (won't even try and spell it)
Your comments to CirrusF are out of order - he/she is quite entitled to post what he likes on here, within limits. It's an open and free forum even if what he did was illegal (so is driving at 75mph on the M4).
And what a cracking way to cock up a fox hunt, though don't think I'd risk my licence for it!
Your comments to CirrusF are out of order - he/she is quite entitled to post what he likes on here, within limits. It's an open and free forum even if what he did was illegal (so is driving at 75mph on the M4).
And what a cracking way to cock up a fox hunt, though don't think I'd risk my licence for it!
Top Dog
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Close to FACT
Age: 55
Posts: 2,098
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think you'll find most reputable airlines have embargoes on certain types of animal. CV for example (as far as I can remember) won't fly frogs (legs...yum yum) or monkeys (testing)...
Flew a whale from BCN to SAN (from their aquarium to Sea World's aquarium, a captive born white rhino from DUS to JNB (to be let free in Namibia). Pregnant (milk) cows, day old chickens, horses are all "regular" cargo these days.
I think the argument would be similar to a pilot refusing to fly a certain type of pax or saying "I'm not flying to XXX because the govt is repressive".
Do you have the "right"? Sure you do. But then the company has the right to say "Thanks, you can leave now". During GW1 an L/M I knew was let go for refusing to fly "military equipment" as it suddenly turned out he was a pacifist. "But Bob (name invented), these are only gas masks to be distributed to civilians". He wouldn't have it, no way. He was invited to leave.
Flew a whale from BCN to SAN (from their aquarium to Sea World's aquarium, a captive born white rhino from DUS to JNB (to be let free in Namibia). Pregnant (milk) cows, day old chickens, horses are all "regular" cargo these days.
I think the argument would be similar to a pilot refusing to fly a certain type of pax or saying "I'm not flying to XXX because the govt is repressive".
Do you have the "right"? Sure you do. But then the company has the right to say "Thanks, you can leave now". During GW1 an L/M I knew was let go for refusing to fly "military equipment" as it suddenly turned out he was a pacifist. "But Bob (name invented), these are only gas masks to be distributed to civilians". He wouldn't have it, no way. He was invited to leave.
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: west of LTN
Posts: 192
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Also worth less than the aircraft on the way out and twice the value of the aircraft on the way back.
Induplicitous, you`ve been very quiet for a bit, have enough for our article do we ?
Perhaps you could explain your interest here, `though plainly l would be infringeing your human rights by saying "put up or shut up"
So l won`t.
Induplicitous, you`ve been very quiet for a bit, have enough for our article do we ?
Perhaps you could explain your interest here, `though plainly l would be infringeing your human rights by saying "put up or shut up"
So l won`t.
