777Fs to the desert

[layinlow]

If you want to get an idea of just how bad and how far the air cargo industry has fallen just check out Boeing's announcement that they have parked new 777Fs in the desert. China Southern is one carrier backing off before delivery, Air France and others are also contemplating it. Yep, it is bad out there!

[flash8]

Air France and others are also contemplating it.

You mean they "leak" that info so they can get better prices
It's a ruthless world out there!

[FCS Explorer]

sure...

they park 'em in tha desert and aerologic still can't get any for their cargo start-up out of germany....

[Sleeping Freight Dog]

Quote "they park 'em in tha desert and aerologic still can't get any for their cargo start-up out of germany.... "

I have seen 2 seperate B777Fs ready at Boeing for AeroLogic. What do
you mean they cant get any? I thought the problem with the startup was with the AOC???

[RampTramp]

First delivery for AeroLogic is still as planned (or replanned after the strike) for mid May so where's the problem??

[GlueBall]

"777Fs to the desert"

Well, yes. . . I saw one [not exactly parked] in the U.A.E. desert; at DXB, in EK livery.

[Ocicat]

More on the way

Yeah, EK have another 4 B777-F's coming. Where does this leave the B747-400's they use now?

[Mikeb744]

Yeah, EK have another 4 B777-F's coming. Where does this leave the B747-400's they use now?

EK only own a handful of B744F's, They lease the remaining from Atlas
So just return them to them

[Deep and fast]

According to flightglobal, most of the desert aircraft belong to leasing companies in between contracts. An aircraft will always find an operator, it's just a matter of how much you want to charge.

D and F

[Tank2Engine]

EK only own a handful of B744F's, They lease the remaining from Atlas

To the best of my knowledge, EK does not own any 747's (A6 registered) and they are all leased, from both Atlas and from TNT.

[GlueBall]

Ocicat

"Where does this leave the B747-400's . . . "

Well,. . . the -400F is somewhat a different animal. For openers: It can carry 20t more than a B777-200F; it has a larger volumetric capacity; and its nose loading door can accommodate over sized cargo rigs. Also, the -400 is not limited by ETOPS rules.

[Mikeb744]

o the best of my knowledge, EK does not own any 747's

They Defiently own 2 Min

It can carry 20t more than a B777-200F; it has a larger volumetric capacity; and its nose loading door can accommodate over sized cargo rigs

Dont know about Europe, but here in OZ, Majority of Freight is through the Door, Not the Nose. They can accomadate maindeck pallets from the B744F aswell i believe, same size door.
It may Carry 20T more, but how much more fuel is it burning, i am sure there are pros and cons for both.
B77F's will replace alot of the Classic Freighters i believe

[superspotter]

Emirates do not "own" any 744F's!!
OO-THC and THD leased from TNT and N408MC, N415MC, N493MC, N497MC all leased from Atlas, which two do they "own"??

[Tank2Engine]

They Defiently own 2 Min

Check superspotter's post, he/she confirms what I said before, and that is that EK only wet leases 744's from TNT and Atlas. There are no 744's with A6 registration in EK livery, the only A6 registered 744's are operated for the Royal Dubai Air Wing.

Dont know about Europe, but here in OZ, Majority of Freight is through the Door, Not the Nose.

Why should any airline buy one specific aircraft to serve a part of the world inhabited by ±25 million people? No offense, but the world does not stop at Oz or Kiwiland.

[Mikeb744]

There you go
I thought the two from TNT they owned Not to worry

I know the world does stop in Oz land, was just proving a point, i said i dont know what happens in the rest of the world, but we dont use the nose much for loading.

Just laziness really using the nose unless u have oversized Cargo

[Maeshe]

They don't 'own' 2 B744F, but they have substantial head lease on 2 a/c but sub-contract the flying to TNT. EK Freighter fleet details, available from various sources across the web:

OO-THB -> pure wet lease from TNT (in TNT orange colours)

OO-THC -> dry leased by EK from AirCastle (was Guggenheim), in EK colours, operated by TNT on sub-contract alongside THB and OO-THA (TNT's own aircraft - also in Orange livery)

OO-THD -> same as THC in EK livery.

Atlas wet leases (now) 4 various tail number B744F to EK as well. (Used to be 5 and a -200F too.) Some of these also in EK livery, some in Atlas livery (N493MC?)

EK sold their 3x A310F to Kuzu recently, and also just received first B777F (A6-EFD) and another to come this summer. (All in Ek livery on A6 reg)

Same EK pax B777 crews fly the B777F.....

[GlueBall]

LAN [Chile] Cargo also is operating B772Fs