Lockheed Electra
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could be wrong but I heard somewhere what Electra was originally certified with 3-man cockpit purely due to an old FAA rule requiring FE on aircraft over 80000 lbs MTOW?
An old regulation from the post DC-4 days.
Gosh, CargoOne, you must be older than dirt...just like me.
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Ok, preliminary indications are...at least three are flyable, with fairly good time until the next heavy checks.
This project looks like a starter.
Funding in the works now.
Thanks folks for all the help, greatly appreciated.
CV's will be requested in due course, on 350, when details finalized.
AOC already available.
Base, west Africa.
Possibly also...Kuwait.
This project looks like a starter.
Funding in the works now.
Thanks folks for all the help, greatly appreciated.
CV's will be requested in due course, on 350, when details finalized.
AOC already available.
Base, west Africa.
Possibly also...Kuwait.
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Just wondering...
Has the 2-man conversion () moved the position of the starter button and fuel/ignition switches, and do these airplanes have the "start valve" light mod?
I think it would be very difficult not to compromise the normal engine starting procedure without being able to:
1/ easily reach the abovementioned button and switches,
2/ being able to read the bleed air manifold pressure gauge at starter cutout,
3/ monitoring the fuel/ignition switch when shifting from low to normal RPM or viceversa.
And many other details that I consider essential for normal/safe operation!!
Also, I'd love to witness a windmill start on the runway with a 2-man crew!!
Cheers (I think)...FD...
Oh..I almost forgot, the engines are not upside down, it's just that the gearbox is that way with reference to the C-130.
Interesting....Kuwait...spent quite some time there, 3 years, operating B727 and B747 for Kuwait Airways up to late '94.
Bet it's changed a lot since this Iraqi war has started........
Has the 2-man conversion () moved the position of the starter button and fuel/ignition switches, and do these airplanes have the "start valve" light mod?
I think it would be very difficult not to compromise the normal engine starting procedure without being able to:
1/ easily reach the abovementioned button and switches,
2/ being able to read the bleed air manifold pressure gauge at starter cutout,
3/ monitoring the fuel/ignition switch when shifting from low to normal RPM or viceversa.
And many other details that I consider essential for normal/safe operation!!
Also, I'd love to witness a windmill start on the runway with a 2-man crew!!
Cheers (I think)...FD...
Oh..I almost forgot, the engines are not upside down, it's just that the gearbox is that way with reference to the C-130.
Interesting....Kuwait...spent quite some time there, 3 years, operating B727 and B747 for Kuwait Airways up to late '94.
Bet it's changed a lot since this Iraqi war has started........
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No, THIS is a propper aeroplane
YouTube - DC7 running up engines to max power
(hope i got the link write)
YouTube - DC7 running up engines to max power
(hope i got the link write)
"YouTube - Lockheed Electra start up
For those of you that need to forget the 2/3 crew bull**** and remember how aviation used to sound"
Sweet!!!!
One of my early companies had two DC6's and one Electra. I flew the DC6 (as FE).
Now have a window seat.
For those of you that need to forget the 2/3 crew bull**** and remember how aviation used to sound"
Sweet!!!!
One of my early companies had two DC6's and one Electra. I flew the DC6 (as FE).
Now have a window seat.
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411A pay particular attention to the wings;they are of an unusual construction,basically made out milled aluminium planks which have a habit of corroding,very expensive to replace (the wings strength is in the planks) Your surveyor should particularly watch out for corrosion here,it can be very subtle. Worked for Air Contractors who used to operate the beast,good a/c but as has allready been said you must have top notch engineers & a generous maintenance budget (whatever your budget was ,double it,trust me!)
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And the tax free Capt pay is ?????...........
Make no mistake, the crews (both maintenance and FD) are the heart of the proposed operation, and will be compensated accordingly.
Yours truly will have it no other way.
Period.
However, whiners need not apply (when the time comes, that is...
The Colonel and I have learned a long time ago that the best should be paid well for their efforts.
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411A pay particular attention to the wings;they are of an unusual construction,basically made out milled aluminium planks which have a habit of corroding,very expensive to replace (the wings strength is in the planks) Your surveyor should particularly watch out for corrosion here,it can be very subtle. Worked for Air Contractors who used to operate the beast,good a/c but as has allready been said you must have top notch engineers & a generous maintenance budget (whatever your budget was ,double it,trust me!)
As for corrosion, the last Electra left the production line 50 years ago. You will find corrosion on all 50 year old aircraft.
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From my experience, having an FE in the middle seat can cause problems with CRM issues.
You have got to be S...... me! I flew the "mighty orion" as an FE for 22 years and no Captain in his right mind would fly without an FE. It is truely am awesome airplane. Definately a three man cockpit. Maybe the CRM issues were from the right seat???
You have got to be S...... me! I flew the "mighty orion" as an FE for 22 years and no Captain in his right mind would fly without an FE. It is truely am awesome airplane. Definately a three man cockpit. Maybe the CRM issues were from the right seat???
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Hey WhalePFE,
We probably have a lot of experiences in common, I'm a 10 year operator of the P3B/C for the RAAF, retired from there in 87 to fly B727.
You're absolutely right, an awesome airplane!
You might like to PM me, we may have crossed paths somewhere!
I've worked with VP-4 and VP-31, as well as the annual RIMPAC exercises out of Hawaii.
Cheers...FD...
We probably have a lot of experiences in common, I'm a 10 year operator of the P3B/C for the RAAF, retired from there in 87 to fly B727.
You're absolutely right, an awesome airplane!
You might like to PM me, we may have crossed paths somewhere!
I've worked with VP-4 and VP-31, as well as the annual RIMPAC exercises out of Hawaii.
Cheers...FD...
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Electra L-188
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