Air Freight - Helicopter Engines - Dangerous Goods ?
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Air Freight - Helicopter Engines - Dangerous Goods ?
Air Freight - Helicopter Engines - Dangerous Goods ?
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I'm looking at air freighting a couple of heli engines from Jakarta to the USA and the UK
The engine going to the UK is a factory overhaul still in packing and dessicant bags
The second engine to the US was recovered from a parted out heli
Both engines have been drained of oil for shipment and haven't flown for 8 to 15 yrs
Now the freight forwarder wants to charge me dangerous goods rates due to the risk of residual oil in the engines
I checked the material data sheets for typical aircraft turbine oil and it says
"Not dangerous for transport under ADR/RID, IMO and IATA/ICAO regulations"
So does this guy have a valid point or his he pulling my chain to pocket the difference between the normal rate and dangerous goods rate ? (this is Indonesia after all ... )
I haven't run across this before as i usually send engines by sea freight and have never had a problem
Hi everyone
I'm looking at air freighting a couple of heli engines from Jakarta to the USA and the UK
The engine going to the UK is a factory overhaul still in packing and dessicant bags
The second engine to the US was recovered from a parted out heli
Both engines have been drained of oil for shipment and haven't flown for 8 to 15 yrs
Now the freight forwarder wants to charge me dangerous goods rates due to the risk of residual oil in the engines
I checked the material data sheets for typical aircraft turbine oil and it says
"Not dangerous for transport under ADR/RID, IMO and IATA/ICAO regulations"
So does this guy have a valid point or his he pulling my chain to pocket the difference between the normal rate and dangerous goods rate ? (this is Indonesia after all ... )
I haven't run across this before as i usually send engines by sea freight and have never had a problem
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My past experience tells me that once an engine has been operated,
it is considered a dangerous goods because of the fuel/oil involved
in the operation. How is the freight forwarder going to determine
when was the last time the engine was running?
If you can provide a copy of the regs you quote that state after a specific
time frame a used engine is no longer considered a dangerous good,
then you might have a case. But it is up to the airline receiving the
cargo whether they will accept that.
it is considered a dangerous goods because of the fuel/oil involved
in the operation. How is the freight forwarder going to determine
when was the last time the engine was running?
If you can provide a copy of the regs you quote that state after a specific
time frame a used engine is no longer considered a dangerous good,
then you might have a case. But it is up to the airline receiving the
cargo whether they will accept that.
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Thanks Freight Dog
I have a buddy that works for a cargo airline and looking on the net the IATA DGR book seems to be last word so I'll have a read though that and see what I can find
1 engine has never run after an overhaul 15 yrs ago (now calendar timex) and the other last run in 2000
I have a buddy that works for a cargo airline and looking on the net the IATA DGR book seems to be last word so I'll have a read though that and see what I can find
1 engine has never run after an overhaul 15 yrs ago (now calendar timex) and the other last run in 2000
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Quick search of transport canada website suggests that may fall under:
UN3166
"ENGINES, INTERNAL COMBUSTION (FLAMMABLE LIQUID POWERED) including when fitted in machinery or vehicles, regulated by aircraft only "
Class 9
see
Transportation of Dangerous Goods Regulations - Schedule 1
UN3166
"ENGINES, INTERNAL COMBUSTION (FLAMMABLE LIQUID POWERED) including when fitted in machinery or vehicles, regulated by aircraft only "
Class 9
see
Transportation of Dangerous Goods Regulations - Schedule 1
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The agent/airline are adament the engines are dangerous goods and have just revised their quote to me
JKT - LHR 250kg was $1,327 now $3,360
As I said this may be a scam where they charge me the DG rate and it actually goes general cargo
It's going by sea freight with a different company I've used before ... $400
Going to buy a copy of the IATA Dangerous Goods manual so I can argue the case better next time
Thanks all
JKT - LHR 250kg was $1,327 now $3,360
As I said this may be a scam where they charge me the DG rate and it actually goes general cargo
It's going by sea freight with a different company I've used before ... $400
Going to buy a copy of the IATA Dangerous Goods manual so I can argue the case better next time
Thanks all
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Hmm tricky one this, the carrier may require some sort of proof the engine has been drained, ie statement that engine has been "Purged", also an idea to add to the description of goods on the airwaybill, "not restricted" as per 8.2.6 of the IATA dangerous goods regulations book. If the purged status cannot be proved, (as pointed out in an earlier posting), it falls under UN3166, Class 9, "Engines internal combustion gas/liquid powered", I am afraid to say.
Cheers, and Best of luck.
Cheers, and Best of luck.