Tradewinds 747 Program Done
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Not according to runway analysis data specific for runway and airport; and not according to demonstrated 3-engine airplane climb performance. Or are you from the new school of "experienced captains" who individualize procedures and make their own rules for aborting the takeoff after V1?
If they talked to u then I assume u didn't have to "hear"?
Yeah, bad grammar on my part.
It should say: I was asked to not write stuff in the book. As in heard with with my own ears....Not just rumors.
Hey, all I know is crews have refused to take the aircraft because they didn't have any catering!
Instead we were promised we would be catered down line. That did not happen so we were a bunch of hungry and cranky guys back in the MIA the next day.
Per either Pratt or FAA supervised company mx policy, + three compressor stall write ups = mandatory engine change / overhaul.
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From the news report:
The accident happened not long after the aircraft's departure from Bogota's El Dorado Airport. AFP quoted Colombian Civil Aviation official Donald Tascon, who said, "The plane crashed when it was trying to return to Bogota after reporting a fire in one engine."
The accident happened not long after the aircraft's departure from Bogota's El Dorado Airport. AFP quoted Colombian Civil Aviation official Donald Tascon, who said, "The plane crashed when it was trying to return to Bogota after reporting a fire in one engine."
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To my knowledge the Medillin Accident was a landing NOT a takeoff.
The plane crashed when it was trying to return to Bogota after reporting a fire in one engine."
This here thread is about Tradewinds Airlines and a crash in Medellin, Rio Negro airport in 2006.
There is even a link to a security camera video of the crash above.
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agree with towerdog, it was during take off. I have seen the video and also have two cd's of two different views, also much paperwork, reports, etc. First hand knowledge of the accident.
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DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND ME....I am not saying the crew was NOT AT FAULT.
The low time Captain was allowing the newly trained FO (125 hours of OE) to do the takeoff, at night, at a Special Airport, on a WET, UNGROOVED runway with pooling water, without using a WET V1, at an operation with shoddy engine maintenance. Even after attempting to reject after V1, they did not use FULL REV until the last 500 feet. They might have made it if they did. So YES they screwed up.
But I AM SAYING that more heads should have rolled for those responsible for this accident... from the DO, schedulers, maintenance, etc, on down the line, but only the crew 'was hung out to dry.'
With this being said, all the training in the world cannot prepare you for what happened to them. Sure, you will say I NEVER attempt a reject after V1...AHEM AHEM...I have seen this done countless times in the SIM by seasoned pilots who think they CANNOT make it by taking it airborne. When asked afterwards, their common answer: "it was a gut reaction I had to make in a split second." ...even though it goes against all the principles of aviation and countless years of training.
When this engine went, a fire ball shot forward of the cockpit and shuddered the entire aircraft (according to reports). The Captain took control and attempted to reject. His gut feeling told him that something terrible had happened and in that split second, he did not think the plane to be airworthy. Blame him if you want...but he is still walking in his shoes...something you cannot do.
The low time Captain was allowing the newly trained FO (125 hours of OE) to do the takeoff, at night, at a Special Airport, on a WET, UNGROOVED runway with pooling water, without using a WET V1, at an operation with shoddy engine maintenance. Even after attempting to reject after V1, they did not use FULL REV until the last 500 feet. They might have made it if they did. So YES they screwed up.
But I AM SAYING that more heads should have rolled for those responsible for this accident... from the DO, schedulers, maintenance, etc, on down the line, but only the crew 'was hung out to dry.'
With this being said, all the training in the world cannot prepare you for what happened to them. Sure, you will say I NEVER attempt a reject after V1...AHEM AHEM...I have seen this done countless times in the SIM by seasoned pilots who think they CANNOT make it by taking it airborne. When asked afterwards, their common answer: "it was a gut reaction I had to make in a split second." ...even though it goes against all the principles of aviation and countless years of training.
When this engine went, a fire ball shot forward of the cockpit and shuddered the entire aircraft (according to reports). The Captain took control and attempted to reject. His gut feeling told him that something terrible had happened and in that split second, he did not think the plane to be airworthy. Blame him if you want...but he is still walking in his shoes...something you cannot do.
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" . . .to do the takeoff, at night, at a Special Airport, on a WET, UNGROOVED runway with pooling water . . . "
" . . . all the training in the world cannot prepare you for what happened to them. Sure, you will say I NEVER attempt a reject after V1...AHEM AHEM...I have seen this done countless times in the SIM by seasoned pilots who think they CANNOT make it by taking it airborne."
"All the training in the world" at most carriers teaches captains to get their hands off the throttle levers by V1 and to keep them off! In the past 20 years I haven't seen any pilots in the sim aborting after V1 because they had "thought" that they couldn't get airborne, . . . perhaps because they would bust their sim check!
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"When this engine went, a fire ball shot forward of the cockpit and shuddered the entire aircraft (according to reports)."
What reports r u reading??
LOL Never saw that on the vid's, either of them!
What reports r u reading??
LOL Never saw that on the vid's, either of them!
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The problem is, there are 2 videos. The one you see on youtube is the security cam and only show the later portion of the abort. There is supposedly another one floating around that show the entire incident. I am still trying to get my hands on that one.
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Not reading any reports....this comes from talking directly to the flight crew while they were awaiting incarceration. I merely stated what the crewmembers told me of the incident, but all you monday morning quarterbacks and video analyzers know better than what the crew told me, Im sure.
As previous check airman and GS instructor for the B747 fleet at TDX, i had an interest in what happened and incorporated all info into a CRM class about the matter, which did not settle well with many in the company....found that every department, as i previously mentioned, was at fault in some manner or fashion. In the end, the crew were the only ones to be fired.
But of course, this thread is full of idiots like some have mused.
As previous check airman and GS instructor for the B747 fleet at TDX, i had an interest in what happened and incorporated all info into a CRM class about the matter, which did not settle well with many in the company....found that every department, as i previously mentioned, was at fault in some manner or fashion. In the end, the crew were the only ones to be fired.
But of course, this thread is full of idiots like some have mused.
