Polar/Atlas The Saga Continues
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Originally Posted by trashhauler
Why should the Atlas MEC get anything about a Polar grievance. It isn't their business. Easy answer, they are in the pocket of AAWWH management
This is another fine example of Atlas crews providing information to Polar crewmembers and the usual subsequent attacks on us because you don't like it.
Maybe you should ask your MEC why he thinks he doesn't need to tell you what is going on. It's pretty black and white on the award. Disclosing it to you shouldn't be a problem. He can still come out with his cover story after disclosing it. Maybe he just wants his cover story out first so that you will avoid reading the award. Who knows but them. Maybe you should call him up?
The Polar MEC Chair was also very wrong about "the small number of Atlas crewmembers" wanting to leave ALPA in his last VARS message. Head over to Atlas for Teamsters for the press releases and info on the 91% card turn in for decertification of ALPA. Cards will still be accepted until the seniority list is turned in by the company to the NMB. So any of you Polar or Atlas guys that have not turned one in, download a card at that link above and send it in pronto to the enclosed address on the instructions.
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I have a question for the Polaroids. Two years ago and ongoing, the Polaroids here and on other forums have chastised and publicly questioned the position of the Atlas MEC because they had not started section 6 negotiations when the amendable date of their contract was reached. So, now that the Polar contract is more that a year beyond your amendable date, how are the negotiations going? Still putting together an opener? Yea, right.
The Atlas MEC's position was that they had asked for the negations to begin, but AAWW had said no, since there was going to be a merger. AAWW had made it clear that they would go to the NMB and be able to hold up any individual negotiations since there would be negotiations as part of the merged contract.
This and other answers weren't good enough for the Polaroids. More of the Atlas MEC in bed with AAWW spew forth. Well here we sit, well over a year beyond the Polar amenable date, with a Polar MEC that has sworn there was no merger, yet nothing? Anyone care to address this one?
The Atlas MEC's position was that they had asked for the negations to begin, but AAWW had said no, since there was going to be a merger. AAWW had made it clear that they would go to the NMB and be able to hold up any individual negotiations since there would be negotiations as part of the merged contract.
This and other answers weren't good enough for the Polaroids. More of the Atlas MEC in bed with AAWW spew forth. Well here we sit, well over a year beyond the Polar amenable date, with a Polar MEC that has sworn there was no merger, yet nothing? Anyone care to address this one?
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Sure got quiet and no answers to the Atlas questions. Didn't really expect any though. At least not honest ones.
It took about a week for the Polar MEC to decide to give out the information to their membership. The same info the Atlas membership already had a week ago. At least the Polar MEC came out with the information, finally. Very selective in verbiage of the events on his VARS message June 17 in WMA format. I hope everyone reads the award and opinions from the arbiter, not just listened to the MEC message. I hope it matches what was distributed to us on the Atlas side.
On the Teamsters front, It is now up to 92 percent. Thanks for all the cards. Keep them coming. Get your card at http://atlasforteamsters.com. They will be accepted up until the company provides the crew roster to the NMB. Their is a mailing list signup for the mass emails to stay informed also. Polar guys can signup for it and also your cards are wanted and welcomed.
It took about a week for the Polar MEC to decide to give out the information to their membership. The same info the Atlas membership already had a week ago. At least the Polar MEC came out with the information, finally. Very selective in verbiage of the events on his VARS message June 17 in WMA format. I hope everyone reads the award and opinions from the arbiter, not just listened to the MEC message. I hope it matches what was distributed to us on the Atlas side.
On the Teamsters front, It is now up to 92 percent. Thanks for all the cards. Keep them coming. Get your card at http://atlasforteamsters.com. They will be accepted up until the company provides the crew roster to the NMB. Their is a mailing list signup for the mass emails to stay informed also. Polar guys can signup for it and also your cards are wanted and welcomed.
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How the hell did you Atlas guys get my mailing address to sent me these Teamsters cards???? I think I speak for the entire Polar pilot group when I say "take these cards and stickem up your A$$".
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Originally Posted by whaledriver101
How the hell did you Atlas guys get my mailing address to sent me these Teamsters cards???? I think I speak for the entire Polar pilot group when I say "take these cards and stickem up your A$$".
Pretty resourceful bunch aren't they. Atlas for Teamsters
Judging from the card response, you will probably be in the minority on the Polar side of that statement soon. Maybe your membership is tiring of having only a few verbally rabid berserkers representing the whole Polar group.
Dealt with Hogg
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What you seem to be implying, without saying it outright, is that close to a majority of Polar crewmembers have submitted authorization cards.
The filing published on the Atlas for Teamsters website states the name list of authorization cards is attached. Conveniently it is not.
What you seem to be implying, without saying it outright, is that close to a majority of Polar crewmembers have submitted authorization cards.
The filing published on the Atlas for Teamsters website states the name list of authorization cards is attached. Conveniently it is not.
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I wonder how the Teamsters are going to help you when the slime called management shuts the doors to reorganizes because of fuel costs. Read the Gemini post guys. It is coming and smoozing with management or the Teamsters is not going to help you. There are some pretty dark clouds on the horizon and the Darth Vadars will take their profits, deny yours, and go on like nothing happened. And what will you have, "Well we are Teamsters". Didn't help Gemini crews did it?
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Why would Teamsters be any worse than ALPA in this case? It appears there was no protection from ALPA even in terms of notice prior to furlough!
To the extent you are employed under the Agreement between Gemini and the Air Line Pilots, effective as of September 1, 2006 (the “Agreement”), which does not provide for “bumping” rights, this letter constitutes: (i) notice of discharge under section 19(A)(2) of the Agreement if you are currently within your "Probationary Period" (as defined in the Agreement), with your employment ending today, June 17, 2008; or (ii) notice of furlough under section 23(A) of the Agreement if you are beyond your Probationary Period; your furlough will begin today, June 17, 2008, and you will not be receiving any pay in lieu of notice.
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Look into your Crystal Ball
I wonder how the Teamsters are going to help you when the slime called management shuts the doors to reorganizes because of fuel costs. Read the Gemini post guys. It is coming and smoozing with management or the Teamsters is not going to help you. There are some pretty dark clouds on the horizon and the Darth Vadars will take their profits, deny yours, and go on like nothing happened. And what will you have, "Well we are Teamsters". Didn't help Gemini crews did it?
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Originally Posted by belowmins
Nitty
What you seem to be implying, without saying it outright, is that close to a majority of Polar crewmembers have submitted authorization cards.
The filing published on the Atlas for Teamsters website states the name list of authorization cards is attached. Conveniently it is not.
What you seem to be implying, without saying it outright, is that close to a majority of Polar crewmembers have submitted authorization cards.
The filing published on the Atlas for Teamsters website states the name list of authorization cards is attached. Conveniently it is not.
Originally Posted by layinlow
"Well we are Teamsters". Didn't help Gemini crews did it?
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Its obvious on this forum who's who. And its damn obvious from your previous posts your an Atlas guy. Please dont mistake me. Thats the ultimate insult. I have guts, balls, and a spine. You would have gotten a better contract a few yrs back had you had at least of those things. So,, please dont mistake me for Atlas. My kids may read this thing.
Its obvious on this forum who's who. And its damn obvious from your previous posts your an Atlas guy. Please dont mistake me. Thats the ultimate insult. I have guts, balls, and a spine. You would have gotten a better contract a few yrs back had you had at least of those things. So,, please dont mistake me for Atlas. My kids may read this thing.
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Moving On...
whaledriver101
Still laughing minutes later after my wife pointed out,
" He didn't mention anything about a brain "
She's so astute. By the way, if you do work for Polar,
I believe your paycheck comes from AAWH.
You're an Atlas guy too!
MOVE ON!
I have guts, balls, and a spine.
" He didn't mention anything about a brain "
She's so astute. By the way, if you do work for Polar,
I believe your paycheck comes from AAWH.
You're an Atlas guy too!
MOVE ON!
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He didn't mention anything about a brain
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I have no interest in compiling a list of who (if anyone) from Polar sent in authorization cards. My interest is in finding out what leads you to believe that whaledriver101 will "Judging from the card response" be "in the minority on the Polar side". You seem to be indicating that you have information that, according to your last post, would cost the rest of us mere mortals a hefty fine and a stretch in a federal prison.
I have no interest in compiling a list of who (if anyone) from Polar sent in authorization cards. My interest is in finding out what leads you to believe that whaledriver101 will "Judging from the card response" be "in the minority on the Polar side". You seem to be indicating that you have information that, according to your last post, would cost the rest of us mere mortals a hefty fine and a stretch in a federal prison.
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Good luck to Both Groups, unfortunately, I think your all going to be screwed. Hope I'm wrong, but since my new carreer will have very little to do with the air cargo or air anything. I'm out of here good luck you poor bastards!
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Moving On...
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Congratulations on MOVING ON to YOUR new CAREER!
Good luck to Both Groups, unfortunately, I think your all going to be screwed. Hope I'm wrong, but since my new carreer will have very little to do with the air cargo or air anything. I'm out of here good luck you poor bastards!