Polar/Atlas The Saga Continues

[BELOWMINS]

Remember....Just because your paranoid it doesn't mean they are not really after you.

[Beaver_Driver]

Nitty - What's it going to take for you to spool down and re-light, as you seem hung. - Not hung in the pants, but hung on people that possibly have little remaining impact on your ultimate future.

An apology would be a start.

[Fr8Dog]

"Remember....Just because your paranoid it doesn't mean they are not really after you."

Belowmins, You can't even get this right.

It's supposed to be just because your NOT paranoid.

But why should you start being right all of a sudden!

[L-38]

An apology would be a start

An apology from whom?

Bobb H and crew are already at the end of their terms. For Atlas crews to frett over them would be as useless as fretting over yesterday's flight plans.

(I would personally apologize for R Fell however, but I had little to do with him at the time . . though he did serve his membership well when relating to Polar's prior management)

[jetpilot007]

This thread is still alive ?

Wow... it's really amazing that this thread is still here.

Ok.. I have a question to Polar MEC now.

Now I see that Atlas MEC publicly accusing Polar MEC a liar, right ?

If Polar MEC was telling the truth about Polar Captain being fired because
of Atlas Crewmember, then I believe Polar MEC should file a law suit
against Atlas MEC for this false accusation.

Now I am asking to Polar MEC and Polar Crewmembers.
Did or will Polar MEC file a law suit against Atlas MEC for false accusation ?

If the answer is no, then the outsider like me would have no choice but to
think that the Polar MEC is the liar all along. Because Atlas guy have been
post Atlas Vars on this thread and I now begining to believe Atlas pilots
than Polar pilots.

And I still think this thread should be closed long time ago.

I wish you, Polar and Atlas, the best for upcoming merger.

[Furloughed]

I listened to both VARS.

Polar says it was reported by an Atlas crewmember.

Atlas confirms an Atlas check airman submitted a crew report over the incident in question then calls Polar a liar.

I'm confused.

[BELOWMINS]

Thanks FURLOUGHED.
I thought I was the only one who read it that way.

[nitty-gritty]

As normal, the interest in continuing and understanding what is said in whole stops when a piece fits someone's needs on one side of this.

So I will devolve also:

Originally Posted by Atlas VAR's

Captain Henderson yet again conveniently forgot to tell the "Rest of The Story", to borrow a phrase from Paul Harvey. The Polar Air Crewman in question was terminated after numerous complaints by crewmembers of both Polar and Atlas for failing to conduct briefings in a professional manner and without harassment.

The Polar Chairman's intent by omission and redirection, listening to the whole message, is to incite further hate by attempting to say it is an Atlas Crew issue that caused all of this. It is really a Polar Chairman issue of hate that is carried on to keep his membership rallying around him. Noted by selective recognition of only pieces of the message by a large number of the membership. It is also being carried on by the membership and resulting in the recent termination of the Polar -200 captain in question with the Polar chairman's subliminal, if not outright encouragement to do so at no risk to the chairman himself.

The big question here is if your going to recognize it and stop the cycle.

[Best Angle]

Nitty-

You guys are twisting this around to call it a lie. Bobb just stated what happened.

[Beaver_Driver]

Not telling the full story is a lie by omission.

[Miamfreight]

When the Atlas chairman defended the Atlas crew who had a tail strike out of PIK did he tell the truth? Yes, he told the truth, not necessarily the whole story. His job is to defend his crewmembers and his CBA, just as is the MEC chairman of every council. The Polar chairmand did not lie and did not speak in an inflammatory manner. Here is the paragraph in question.

I would like to thank the Polar Crewmembers that have taken the time to answer the questionnaire that I posted on our web page regarding the wearing of the Company uniform and giving the supernumerary briefing. For those Crewmembers that have not responded, I ask that you take the time to do so. One of our Classic Captains has been terminated for not wearing his uniform and failing to give the briefing to several deadheading Atlas crewmembers. Any responses received will be kept confidential and not used in any hearing or divulged to the Company without the consent of the individual involved. Keep in mind that these alleged violations were reported by a deadheading Atlas crewmember on one occasion and by a member of Atlas management on the other occasion. Please ensure that you conduct your flights with the outmost of professionalism at all times and comply with the Company’s uniform and briefing policies.

I don't see an attack on the Atlas crewmembers here and the previous actions of the accused Captain are not germain to the communication.

I think the most significant part of Captain Henderson's message dealt with the ALPA merger policy and the right of the Atlas and Polar crewmembers to ratify any joint contract. Why did Captain Setzer pick such an insignificant topic to rant upon when such a huge issue was placed in front of him?

[nitty-gritty]

Considering our history's, why did your chairman choose to state:

Originally Posted by The Polar Chairman

One of our Classic Captains has been terminated for not wearing his uniform and failing to give the briefing to several deadheading Atlas crewmembers. Any responses received will be kept confidential and not used in any hearing or divulged to the Company without the consent of the individual involved. Keep in mind that these alleged violations were reported by a deadheading Atlas crewmember on one occasion and by a member of Atlas management on the other occasion.

There were many more better ways to say it unless he was purposely attempting to incite and continue the hate campaign within the Polar membership towards the Atlas membership by stating only "Part" of the information that would only reflect negatively towards the Atlas group. The other unmentioned germane facts in this case exemplify the polar Chairman's agenda to continue the hate. He could have done it without taking a slap what-so-ever at the Atlas crew force, but he chose to swing away by lying by omission to continue his hate campaign against the Atlas crewmembers.

I bounced this off four other guys (two Astar, one Evergreen and one UPS guy) to check to see if I'm really flying off the handle and to see what a third party thought. They all caught it without prompting, and it seems the only folks that didn't are at Polar. Imagine that.

Once again since it's a page back in reference to the VARS:

Polar Chairman's VARS 08-25-2008 in mp3 2.5 MB

Atlas VAR's 09-01-2008

[rob rilly]

Bounced

Good thing they didn't check their list, or you would have been bounced from the flight. Well maybe not at Everzone. Get over yourself. They all have read your rant on the other board.

[nitty-gritty]

Another stunning comeback from rob_rilly. Outdone yourself this time. Four sentences and you got to insult a whole other ALPA council. Guess you haven't put a dent in that case of beer yet or you had a epiphany of thought uncharacteristic in your previous posts.

Too bad any list generated by the polar council and your comments have the same level of credibility as your polar chairman in the industry. Assumed to be a lie until proven otherwise to all except the polar membership.

[layinlow]

rob rilly had it wrong. He doesn't need a list. Captain's authority is absolute.

[BELOWMINS]

Nitty
So much for insulting a whole ALPA council.
I guess supposed insults only apply if directed toward Atlas crewmembers.

[CR2]

I think this thread has run its course again.