ALPA finally pushes Atlas-Polar Merger
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ALPA finally pushes Atlas-Polar Merger
Got this today. Seems that the push for Teamsters at Atlas has motivated ALPA National's Executive Board into finally putting a band-aid on the Atlas Polar merger situation.
Maybe it is a small bribe to keep Atlas in ALPA to stop the Teamster push.
https://crewroom.alpa.org/AAI072/Des...cumentID=42951
Maybe it is a small bribe to keep Atlas in ALPA to stop the Teamster push.
https://crewroom.alpa.org/AAI072/Des...cumentID=42951
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Had to be expected, Alpa has become a retirement home for old bad lawyers. Atlas leaving, threatened their home! I hope at least one ALPA carrier has the nads to tell ALPA no, instead of taking the cowards way out and leaving.
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I think when a group (Atlas) takes a stand against deals brokered behind the scenes for influence via votes for a president, that it in no way could be considered a cowards way out. Just the opposite.
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Are you suggesting that changing to the Teamsters is “…the cowards way out”? The Teamsters have been called a lot of things over the years, but a refuge for cowards….that has got to be a new one!
Are you suggesting that changing to the Teamsters is “…the cowards way out”? The Teamsters have been called a lot of things over the years, but a refuge for cowards….that has got to be a new one!
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1. SCOPE
2. WORKRULES
3. Should, May, Best Effort, and Will Try are not terms for a CBA
In 2 contract cycles I NEVER saw a Professional Negotiator from IBT.
We never had full time union reps from IBT.
We had to have an assessment to get ONE pilot off line, as the dues at IBT don't cover that.
We did get a great scope, but that doesn't seem important at this company
2. WORKRULES
3. Should, May, Best Effort, and Will Try are not terms for a CBA
In 2 contract cycles I NEVER saw a Professional Negotiator from IBT.
We never had full time union reps from IBT.
We had to have an assessment to get ONE pilot off line, as the dues at IBT don't cover that.
We did get a great scope, but that doesn't seem important at this company
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I'm hoping the Polar MEC is able to end the merger. ALPA should be working as well to terminate this:
stripping the pilots off their 121 certificate and placing them into a 'leasing company'.
I feel for the Atlas guys wanting a raise but this is just like the 'B' scale. Once it starts the whole industry is at risk.
stripping the pilots off their 121 certificate and placing them into a 'leasing company'.
I feel for the Atlas guys wanting a raise but this is just like the 'B' scale. Once it starts the whole industry is at risk.
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I'm hoping the Polar MEC is able to end the merger. ALPA should be working as well to terminate this:
stripping the pilots off their 121 certificate and placing them into a 'leasing company'.
I feel for the Atlas guys wanting a raise but this is just like the 'B' scale. Once it starts the whole industry is at risk.
WHAT?
stripping the pilots off their 121 certificate and placing them into a 'leasing company'.
I feel for the Atlas guys wanting a raise but this is just like the 'B' scale. Once it starts the whole industry is at risk.
WHAT?
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Originally Posted by Furloughed
I'm hoping the Polar MEC is able to end the merger. ALPA should be working as well to terminate this:
stripping the pilots off their 121 certificate and placing them into a 'leasing company'.
I feel for the Atlas guys wanting a raise but this is just like the 'B' scale. Once it starts the whole industry is at risk.
stripping the pilots off their 121 certificate and placing them into a 'leasing company'.
I feel for the Atlas guys wanting a raise but this is just like the 'B' scale. Once it starts the whole industry is at risk.
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WHAT?
Probably what the Polar membership has been told by their MEC vs what is the truth. It doesn't have to make sense, just work for their purposes.
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Almost all of you posting here absolutely amaze me. And most of you are out of you f____g minds. Having been in this business for almost 40 years now, and flying for some of the worst and some of the best, it is time to open your eyes and realize that this is not, nor will it ever be again the glamorous “Clipper Skipper” job of the 50’s and 60’s. If you do not think that making 100k + a year as an F/O or F/E or 200k as a Captain flying around the world in a 74 an o.k. job, then maybe you should re-think your career choice. Sure it would be nice to have a 14 day work month instead of a 17 days. And it would also be nice to make 300k a year. BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!HELLO,Wake up! This is 2008 and jet fuel is not 16 cents a gallon anymore.
For those of you that think that AAWW will continue to tolerate the crap that the Polar MEC has been incessantly doing, I caution some of the Polar crew members to govern yourselves accordingly. or you might find that you are on the street with no job at all. Better get on the bandwagon while there is still time.
For those of you that think that AAWW will continue to tolerate the crap that the Polar MEC has been incessantly doing, I caution some of the Polar crew members to govern yourselves accordingly. or you might find that you are on the street with no job at all. Better get on the bandwagon while there is still time.
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The crew leasing scam is addressed in the DHL block space agreement. They want a 121 certificate without any crewmembers attached to it.
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No but we have seen what the yoyo's at AAWWH are trying to do.
And fr8, you are wrong, it could go back at least a little with the QOL if only there were enough people to stand up to managment instead of rolling over and having their tummy rubbed. But...then again there will always be some to take advantage to the detrement of all.
And fr8, you are wrong, it could go back at least a little with the QOL if only there were enough people to stand up to managment instead of rolling over and having their tummy rubbed. But...then again there will always be some to take advantage to the detrement of all.
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FR8, at Astar, I make 211 and change per hour flying a DC8-73. In 3 more years, I'll be at 245. We just signed for that new payscale a couple of months back. It can be done, if you're willing to do what's required to get it. ABX guys make more than us, though.
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Fr8dog,, layinlow is right. You CAN have the QOL you desire but you WILL have to take a stand. One of the things that is a concern among the Polar pilots is the "lack of spine" among the Atlas crewmembers.