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Got my first glimpse of the Jane's HS748 in operation this morning at IOM 
I was on stand when G-AYIM turned up. Classic aircraft and freighters are my thing, and really wished it was me sitting in the old budgie across the apron! sigh..
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I was on stand when G-AYIM turned up. Classic aircraft and freighters are my thing, and really wished it was me sitting in the old budgie across the apron! sigh..
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"There is not going to be a start up - Fact" (EI-CGO)
I recall previous posts that have been all doom, venom and spite from several people over and over again. 
Andy appears to have worked tirelessly to get this going again. Perhaps we can just let folk get on with things now without feeling the need to try and spit in some-ones cornflakes all the time.
Andy appears to have worked tirelessly to get this going again. Perhaps we can just let folk get on with things now without feeling the need to try and spit in some-ones cornflakes all the time.
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Andy appears to have worked tirelessly to get this going again. Perhaps we can just let folk get on with things now without feeling the need to try and spit in some-ones cornflakes all the time. 
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What has happened then? New freight service between IOM and Liverpool has been suspended due to 'handling' difficulties at Liverpool
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The demise of Flight Support has produced some difficulties with operating the service out of LPL in the morning - a flight this week suffered an hours delay waiting for a GPU despite alternative arrangements being put in place. This is affecting the customer service levels, not a good thing with a new operation.
The loads have not been great, with us carrying more off the island than in, however this was to be expected after such a gap, and the economic situation is not helping. However it's now up to the shippers to use the service - or lose it if they don't want it!
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The loads have not been great, with us carrying more off the island than in, however this was to be expected after such a gap, and the economic situation is not helping. However it's now up to the shippers to use the service - or lose it if they don't want it!
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Venom and Spite it simply isnt.
Lots of good people lost a great deal because of one mans reckless arrogance.
Why do you think its not busy? Do you think we have all forgotten the mess that was left?
Lots of good people lost a great deal because of one mans reckless arrogance.
Why do you think its not busy? Do you think we have all forgotten the mess that was left?
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It's a real pity.
It wasn't just the clients of course who lost a great deal. The employees and service staff also.
Lucky indeed that time and fate produced easyJet and Ryanair to provide alternative employment at Liverpool at the height of the low-cost 'boom'.
Maybe the tide has gone out, who knows?!
Good luck for the future - maybe this time it will be luck that wins the day as other factors are not favourable.
Would you go to Hell knowing the Devil was still there? The only way to make Hell an attractive place is to get rid of the Devil - and prove that he's gone, whatever that takes.
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It wasn't just the clients of course who lost a great deal. The employees and service staff also.
Lucky indeed that time and fate produced easyJet and Ryanair to provide alternative employment at Liverpool at the height of the low-cost 'boom'.
Maybe the tide has gone out, who knows?!
Good luck for the future - maybe this time it will be luck that wins the day as other factors are not favourable.
Would you go to Hell knowing the Devil was still there? The only way to make Hell an attractive place is to get rid of the Devil - and prove that he's gone, whatever that takes.
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Oh here go the witches again around the cauldron .... cackle cackle.
...... coinsidently the same bunch. I suppose every playground has them.
Didnt take long for the tone to be lowered did it.
If you knew the actual facts then maybe I could join in the playground and say ner ner ner ner hahahahaha.
Good Luck to Janes Aviation
...... coinsidently the same bunch. I suppose every playground has them.
Didnt take long for the tone to be lowered did it.
If you knew the actual facts then maybe I could join in the playground and say ner ner ner ner hahahahaha.
Good Luck to Janes Aviation
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AVIATOR - I think most people on here wish AJ good luck....but that's where it stops. His side kick trod on many toes not so long ago, and those toes are attached to the feet that are now kicking back.
This isn't school, it's business and a lot of people, including AJ, lost a lot of money and business because of one persons recklessness and disregard for others.Not to mention the hard working staff that lost the livelihoods.How do you think they feel about the new venture with that individual involved?
re arrange the following.
COFFEE, UP, SMELL, WAKE, AND, & THE.
This isn't school, it's business and a lot of people, including AJ, lost a lot of money and business because of one persons recklessness and disregard for others.Not to mention the hard working staff that lost the livelihoods.How do you think they feel about the new venture with that individual involved?
re arrange the following.
COFFEE, UP, SMELL, WAKE, AND, & THE.
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Liverpool – IOM cargo flight axed – after 9 days : Liverpool Airport News Stories
love to hear from janops1 re what now?
love to hear from janops1 re what now?
I still think Janes missed a trick by not getting involved staight away in the ad hoc market. That would have built operational credibility within the broking market and earned some useful revenue.
It's pretty feeble to say that with the aircraft based at SEN originally (and in my view one of the ideal places for ad hoc opportunities) but with crews living near LPL it was not realistic to tout for ad hoc charters. What sort of operation does not co-locate its aircraft and crews?
You're either a fully operational AOC outfit or you're not.
It's pretty feeble to say that with the aircraft based at SEN originally (and in my view one of the ideal places for ad hoc opportunities) but with crews living near LPL it was not realistic to tout for ad hoc charters. What sort of operation does not co-locate its aircraft and crews?
You're either a fully operational AOC outfit or you're not.
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Oh dear.
Having spoken to a few freight brokers in the past, I'm not surprised by any of this. Too much mud has been flung in the past and people have memories of the appalling reliability that was suffered towards the end of JEM. There was almost a sense of wanting the project to fail from some of the people I spoke to. A bit nasty, but there you go. A lot of people were left in the doo doo by Emerald and some of them are now in positions to get a bit of "pay back". Not exactly a professional attitude, but understandable in a way.
I actually wanted this project to work, not because of any daft ideas like seeing clapped out old budgies in the air again, but because a British company getting back into air freight successfully might help halt the expansion of the eastern european cut price operators.
I hope this is just a blip, but nearly 6 months on and with virtually no flying, that does not make for a good return on investment.
Having spoken to a few freight brokers in the past, I'm not surprised by any of this. Too much mud has been flung in the past and people have memories of the appalling reliability that was suffered towards the end of JEM. There was almost a sense of wanting the project to fail from some of the people I spoke to. A bit nasty, but there you go. A lot of people were left in the doo doo by Emerald and some of them are now in positions to get a bit of "pay back". Not exactly a professional attitude, but understandable in a way.
I actually wanted this project to work, not because of any daft ideas like seeing clapped out old budgies in the air again, but because a British company getting back into air freight successfully might help halt the expansion of the eastern european cut price operators.
I hope this is just a blip, but nearly 6 months on and with virtually no flying, that does not make for a good return on investment.
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People can point the finger all they want, and yes to an extent it is a bit childish all this mud slinging, but to those who lost considerable sums of money ithis is anything but childish, it has a greater impact than people realise, all very well to give the doubters a hard time just because of some sentimental notion of seeing a clapped out (albeit nostalgic) aircraft take to the skies again, or the raw naievity of those looking for the first step on the ladder, but you have to get into the real world.
Unless there is a monumental shift of power at the RM, they wont get within 100ft of a mailbag, indeed having their eggs in one basket as it were forced RM to re evaluate their policy and speeded up the introduction of the Jet network, that is fact, and even if RM took them back, its scraps left over as the likes of BAC etc have found. They are a victim of their (or JEMs) initial collapse.
The aircraft is too old for the integrators, and anyone who has spent a day with any of the Charter brokers will tell you that the ad-hoc market is not what it was and the Latvians, Hungarians etc etc do the same job at a cheaper price. Lets face it, the guys at Kingston pretty much rescued the RM when the Skynet network collapsed so thats hardly going to be forgotten about either, and they seem to have whats left in the UK wrapped up. Of course we would all love to see a UK company do well, but its just not realistic in the current climate, not helped of course by the spector of you know who lurking in the background.
Putting any bitterness aside, its always been impossible to see how this can work, I just hope their isnt too many people out there given them credit.
Unless there is a monumental shift of power at the RM, they wont get within 100ft of a mailbag, indeed having their eggs in one basket as it were forced RM to re evaluate their policy and speeded up the introduction of the Jet network, that is fact, and even if RM took them back, its scraps left over as the likes of BAC etc have found. They are a victim of their (or JEMs) initial collapse.
The aircraft is too old for the integrators, and anyone who has spent a day with any of the Charter brokers will tell you that the ad-hoc market is not what it was and the Latvians, Hungarians etc etc do the same job at a cheaper price. Lets face it, the guys at Kingston pretty much rescued the RM when the Skynet network collapsed so thats hardly going to be forgotten about either, and they seem to have whats left in the UK wrapped up. Of course we would all love to see a UK company do well, but its just not realistic in the current climate, not helped of course by the spector of you know who lurking in the background.
Putting any bitterness aside, its always been impossible to see how this can work, I just hope their isnt too many people out there given them credit.