Ocean Airlines (Italy) to add 6 B747/200F

[Glass Half Empty]

what a tease. Enquiry/Inquiry?????????????

[loveGSM]

Had quite a few friends applying for them.
I would say apply if you are unemployed.
Be careful to leave something else as the company is, at least at the moment, in a really difficut financial position.
Really low on cash and trying to be on the Italian stock exchange to get some fresh capitals from the market.
Probably things will start to improve if they are able to survive the next 6 months or so...
Hope to be of help

[fuelclog]

prerequisites for applicants

Hi there,

Sitting upon 3300 hrs, most of which Turboprop (0hrs jet).
What would be my chances with them ?

If elegible to be recruited, what then would be the deal regarding Type rating ?

Thanks for any info

[Cityliner]

Payscale is a lough

http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/fact...4zp4w8j78zvu5u

[Mister Geezer]

Presume all crews are based in Brescia? Nice small little airport to be based in. Must score as a big plus point since with most jobs flying heavy metal, you end up being based out of a large airport with all the stress that is normally associated with large airports!

[Yorky Towers]

Lightson:

The Salary you posted is not what Ocean are advertising: It was something like Capt=9000 Euro
F/O= 7000 Euro

Regards

[EAM]

I guess you are both very wrong, the italian pay system is like this:
You get a basic salary plus lets say 50 or 60h fixed paid.
Then from 60-70, 70-80 etc you get like 25%, 50%, 100% more per hour.
So if you fly mimimum, you get minimum, if you fly a lot you get very much.
Difference for a CPT could be like 5000net up to 8000net with 80h, just an example. But there is no fixed salary in most italian airlines.

[Yorky Towers]

Capt=9000 euro for 80 hours
FO=7000 euro for 80 hours
FACT.

Is that Italian enough?

[EAM]

Your post was just missleading, 9000€ with 80h Ok, how much with only 60h or less?
You just picked one mosaik, but you have to tell the full story...come on, seems you are a clever guy.

[Yorky Towers]

Sorry EAM, didn't mean to come across as being clever just stating the facts as they were presented to me.

These can be assumed as being the minimal contract terms.

Regards
Yorky

[EAM]

OK, I see. Well as I mentioned, usually there is a min guaranteed of 50 or 60h, min 80h is very unlikly, but of course they give you the figure of 80h.
Unless you get a contract with a broker and a fixed salary, you should check the exact pay scale, I think you will end up with less than 80h per month.

[Engineer]

These can be assumed as being the minimal contract terms.

Assuming these people have a tempo inditerminato contract then as EAM states with minimal flying the big salary is out of reach. But if you are lucky to fly 80+ hours then the big salary is available.

[100m down/10,000m up]

Hi YT

You are right about 9,000/7,000 euros - have you got the job offer/contract?

[EAM]

If you are stated to get a salary (9000€/7000€) for flying the 80 hours, means that you get paid until the 80 hours.
If you fly more, you should get paid more, like +25/50% more the hour...

Nun lieber Kollege,
IF the minimum is 80h your are right, but I dont think so, Ocean would be the first and only company in Italy with a 80h minimum. I guess, they tell you "With 80h you get 9000€" and not "The minimum pay is 80h, which is 9000€" with this Ocean would not have any problems to find pilots and pilots would not have left Ocean. Proof me wrong, I would be happy.
The minimum for a CPT I heard is about 6000€.
Talking about a standart Ocean contract and not one via a broker like Parc or someone elese, I guess you will get standart healthinsurancein Italy which is good, around 50€ per diem and it seems they have agreement with AirOne and Meridiana. Italian taxes are around 22%, but I guess this is net.

[100m down/10,000m up]

As far as I know Ocean contracts are offered through the broker Avcom, whoever they are. Salary is gross, no tax deductions and no other extras. They guarantee 10 days off per month but they are not clear whether this is consecutive or not. Anybody knows more???

[747F]

guys, hold your breath - it looks all flights are suspended until 05OCT x lots of airplanes ordered, yes, but no fuel to fly them

[Yorky Towers]

LIGHTSON:

Thanks for the update, and the advise regarding '
Pay attention to the wordings of the contract'. I did, and it still bares no resemblance to the information your advertising!

Guess you won't be joining them then?

Regards

Yorky

[eckardt.daniel]

Questions about the interview you have done with ocean

May I know about which type of interview have you been true the 26th and 28th.

Any info can be helpful.

Thanks

Daniel

[masterairwaybill]

Thats what I hear through the trade,
No flights suppliers screaming for cash.
So much for all the media reports re expansion etc.etc.....