An Englishman & an Irishman in the Congo...Avient
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Smith was not in the UK at the time he was in Harare keeping his eye on all the ops in DRC for John Breedenkamp. I didnt see him in Kinshasa though I was told he was there but I saw O'brien and Peter Truman many many times. He knew what his people were doing he gave them the job and their orders.
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More questions about the intricate Avient connections!
According to Aerotransport.org, Avient’s DC10, Z-ARL, has Chalons-Vatry as its base. Consulting http://www.avient.aero/partnerships.htm#airline, I see this confirmed, but who is the UK based Airline Management Group (AMG)?
There was also a Airline Management Group in Ostend and according to http://www.cleanostend.com, the Ostend AMG had connections with arms dealer Duane Egli (ex-Zaire and probably now residing in Miami). Furthermore, Egli’s Ducor World Airlines became International Air Services (meanwhile listed on the EU ban list and having ceased operations). But searching for the IAS address, you get the London address of Andrew Smith, mentioning “IAS c/o Avient” and in April 2006 Avient still confirmed having leased both IAS Lockheeds, without any further comment.
Very, very bizarre! Does anybody have more explanation about these alleged interconnections?
(Just for the record, Avient seems to have a second DC10, the ex-N401JR (46590), which was on April 17, 2006 still flying for DAS Air Cargo [see www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1040800]).
According to Aerotransport.org, Avient’s DC10, Z-ARL, has Chalons-Vatry as its base. Consulting http://www.avient.aero/partnerships.htm#airline, I see this confirmed, but who is the UK based Airline Management Group (AMG)?
There was also a Airline Management Group in Ostend and according to http://www.cleanostend.com, the Ostend AMG had connections with arms dealer Duane Egli (ex-Zaire and probably now residing in Miami). Furthermore, Egli’s Ducor World Airlines became International Air Services (meanwhile listed on the EU ban list and having ceased operations). But searching for the IAS address, you get the London address of Andrew Smith, mentioning “IAS c/o Avient” and in April 2006 Avient still confirmed having leased both IAS Lockheeds, without any further comment.
Very, very bizarre! Does anybody have more explanation about these alleged interconnections?
(Just for the record, Avient seems to have a second DC10, the ex-N401JR (46590), which was on April 17, 2006 still flying for DAS Air Cargo [see www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1040800]).
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AfgAirOPs,
My friend, you confuse me with another who has the same family name but is Flight Engineer with this Avient. I know him quite well and he tells me everything he knows about this company.
My friend, you confuse me with another who has the same family name but is Flight Engineer with this Avient. I know him quite well and he tells me everything he knows about this company.
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IL76 Z-WTV has been used extensivley by the South African defense force for positioning equip and bods to the various peace keeping missions north of the Limpopo. Can you imagine that a nation that had the 7th best airforce in the world 10 years or so ago has to resort to using Smith a known war profiteer.
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Bonaparte
Which points or ranking system would you use to rank it at 7th best??? Even streatching the good old imagination does not make it possible for such a high placing.
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Which points or ranking system would you use to rank it at 7th best??? Even streatching the good old imagination does not make it possible for such a high placing.
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Now I look on Avient website for more informations and get more questions.
I see they say they are IATA registered :
"Welcome to the home of Avient, an IATA registered cargo airline that operates on a weekly schedule to Nigeria, Gabon, Ghana, Kenya, Burundi, Uganda and the Congo."
Do IATA know of the Avient activities in Congo?
Also why do Zimbabwe Cargo Airline run schedule service from france, do french people know they are doing this and taking work from french people at Air France? Why do they not come here and run service here and give jobs to people from Zimbabwe.
I see they say they are IATA registered :
"Welcome to the home of Avient, an IATA registered cargo airline that operates on a weekly schedule to Nigeria, Gabon, Ghana, Kenya, Burundi, Uganda and the Congo."
Do IATA know of the Avient activities in Congo?
Also why do Zimbabwe Cargo Airline run schedule service from france, do french people know they are doing this and taking work from french people at Air France? Why do they not come here and run service here and give jobs to people from Zimbabwe.
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Kep Ten Jim
Maybe you should keep nose out of this, you do not know me, same as Napoleon does not know me, but we have common belief that this Avient is not good and has caused much trouble in the recent past. If we can help to bring these people to justice then so be it my friend. Until you have some constructive help, keep personal opinions to you. There is much here you do not know.
Maybe you should keep nose out of this, you do not know me, same as Napoleon does not know me, but we have common belief that this Avient is not good and has caused much trouble in the recent past. If we can help to bring these people to justice then so be it my friend. Until you have some constructive help, keep personal opinions to you. There is much here you do not know.
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That is after all the point of this thread. Let's not demean it (the thread) by arguing. I'm sure there could be another one (or a PM discussion re the experiences of the S.A.A.F.).
Rgds
AAO
PS, Still hoping to read 'finnman's' comments............
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Legal Stuff
Interesting reading guys,have you all been fired from Avient or just couldnt get in??,wow havent you all got an axe to grind.
I invite any of you to come on the line and see the cargo and the routes and see if you can find ANYTHING dodgy,YOU WONT!!!!!!
Do you think the French would let them fly if it was even considered to be incorrect,i think not.
Any Zim crews out there ,why dont you apply instead of whinging,i believe they already have Zim guys with them and they are vvvv happy.
I personally meet all the inbound and outbound crews and they are vv professional guys who are just doing a good job.
And oh yes you say why do you never see the A/c in Zim?well with your countries track record of HUMAN RIGHTS and the incredible levels of corruption WHO WOULD.
OK guys now its my time for your flack,remember Avient in the Congo is NOT the same as Avient from Vatry France,same owner but utterly LEGAL.
Auvoir,Abientot,
CVs greatly accepted
I invite any of you to come on the line and see the cargo and the routes and see if you can find ANYTHING dodgy,YOU WONT!!!!!!
Do you think the French would let them fly if it was even considered to be incorrect,i think not.
Any Zim crews out there ,why dont you apply instead of whinging,i believe they already have Zim guys with them and they are vvvv happy.
I personally meet all the inbound and outbound crews and they are vv professional guys who are just doing a good job.
And oh yes you say why do you never see the A/c in Zim?well with your countries track record of HUMAN RIGHTS and the incredible levels of corruption WHO WOULD.
OK guys now its my time for your flack,remember Avient in the Congo is NOT the same as Avient from Vatry France,same owner but utterly LEGAL.
Auvoir,Abientot,
CVs greatly accepted
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Looks like this discussion is getting a bit of exposure elsewhere.
http://yorkshire-ranter.********.com and search for Avient.
http://yorkshire-ranter.********.com and search for Avient.
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Stop stewing
Hi there Napoleon
Orwel's pig of the same name started with 'four legs good two legs bad', and then changed his mind... mmm
I would like to see things your way but not being a loadie, on standard dims, not sure whether both our heads could fit up your *rse at the same time.
Hey, my freinds scattered over canada too. And how many zam/mozam civi's remember the howl of a allouette K car. Which now civi boss did that?
When weee.... etc. but cannot condone - oeuns, I think Avient sould be given a chance. Why kill something african - would you rather have cv and mp and ba etc. running the fine blue skies.
In short maybe we should stop pawning to london rags, and stand up Africa
Orwel's pig of the same name started with 'four legs good two legs bad', and then changed his mind... mmm
I would like to see things your way but not being a loadie, on standard dims, not sure whether both our heads could fit up your *rse at the same time.
Hey, my freinds scattered over canada too. And how many zam/mozam civi's remember the howl of a allouette K car. Which now civi boss did that?
When weee.... etc. but cannot condone - oeuns, I think Avient sould be given a chance. Why kill something african - would you rather have cv and mp and ba etc. running the fine blue skies.
In short maybe we should stop pawning to london rags, and stand up Africa