UK Air export of cattle / calves ?
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UK Air export of cattle / calves ?
Can anyone shed any light on reports that a number of airports have been approached regarding setting up air freight of uk cattle / calves to mainland Europe destinations?
I'm aware that Robin Hood Doncaster etc etc Airport recently decided against it, but apparently other airports are in negotiations?
Can anyone explain the how's and why's that make this economically viable?
And if this is going to start, what are the exporters going to have to organise, in terms of loading at the UK end, aircraft, unloading at detination, compliance with whatever regs etc etc etc. Is this a feasible trade on the part of freight fliers??
I'd be particularly interested to hear from anyone who had experience of the same trade, which took place for a period in the mid 1990's, from amongst others Coventry Airport.
I'm aware that Robin Hood Doncaster etc etc Airport recently decided against it, but apparently other airports are in negotiations?
Can anyone explain the how's and why's that make this economically viable?
And if this is going to start, what are the exporters going to have to organise, in terms of loading at the UK end, aircraft, unloading at detination, compliance with whatever regs etc etc etc. Is this a feasible trade on the part of freight fliers??
I'd be particularly interested to hear from anyone who had experience of the same trade, which took place for a period in the mid 1990's, from amongst others Coventry Airport.
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I would also advise other ppruners to consider very carefully the security implications of revealing any details about current or proposed animal related activities as it is an emotive and often mis represented subject.
I would also advise other ppruners to consider very carefully the security implications of revealing any details about current or proposed animal related activities as it is an emotive and often mis represented subject.
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Blunt and to the point daysleeper . . .
Understand your concerns, and agree with your comment, though it's not like this subject hasn't been touched on in other posts, and so far without provoking similar warnings.
But to clarify, I'm looking into the economic viability of this on behalf of http://www.caberlugh.com/ and trying to figure out at what point the money is actually to be made in the air-freight method of this trade.
I can't see how the volumes are large enough for what is essentially a low value / high transport cost (compared to other freight??, and other transport methods) cargo, namely sea transport.
That's all . . . and would welcome any insight from those who know the air-freight trade.
Any explanation, overview or suggestions of whom I could approach to speak to in detail would be welcomed.
Thanks again.
Understand your concerns, and agree with your comment, though it's not like this subject hasn't been touched on in other posts, and so far without provoking similar warnings.
But to clarify, I'm looking into the economic viability of this on behalf of http://www.caberlugh.com/ and trying to figure out at what point the money is actually to be made in the air-freight method of this trade.
I can't see how the volumes are large enough for what is essentially a low value / high transport cost (compared to other freight??, and other transport methods) cargo, namely sea transport.
That's all . . . and would welcome any insight from those who know the air-freight trade.
Any explanation, overview or suggestions of whom I could approach to speak to in detail would be welcomed.
Thanks again.
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Originally Posted by Daysleeper
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I would also advise other ppruners to consider very carefully the security implications of revealing any details about current or proposed animal related activities as it is an emotive and often mis represented subject.
I would also advise other ppruners to consider very carefully the security implications of revealing any details about current or proposed animal related activities as it is an emotive and often mis represented subject.
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***disclaimer*** I'm no pilot and do not work in the aviation industry ***end disclaimer***
Such flight were quite regular up to 5 years ago if I recall correctly. I believe they used An-12's from Coventry and flew into Oostende and Rotterdam Airport. The hardware was leased and Im afraid that my memory doesn't provide me with the name of the expeditor involved.
As for our friends at the animal right camp, would they prefer to see the cattle shipped by road then
Such flight were quite regular up to 5 years ago if I recall correctly. I believe they used An-12's from Coventry and flew into Oostende and Rotterdam Airport. The hardware was leased and Im afraid that my memory doesn't provide me with the name of the expeditor involved.
As for our friends at the animal right camp, would they prefer to see the cattle shipped by road then
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Live Cattle by Air
Liam,
It comes down to the old 'Market Forces' I once asked a cattle buyer why he flew the animals live, when he could carry more if they were dead and frozen. The reply - my customers want fresh meat not frozen. Also, as another poster has raised, the alternative is long overland trucking. At some mainland European airports I have seen vets checking the animals (veal calves), counting number in a pen, and refusing animals if not considered in good condition. In Eastern Europe, I have also seen the opposite, where the shipper has crowded the animals, the aircraft has been loaded too early (still waiting for part of the load to arrive), and with difficulty maintaining a cool temperature some of the animals died on the ground. Man couldn't care less, even though it obviously meant less profit.
Now England has had the beef ban lifted, I imagine farmers want to try to regain their European market and it has been found the animals suffer less stress travelling by air than being trucked, therefore arriving fresher to market.
I don't think it will make a lot of difference to the animal protesters which port the animals are moved through, they will still have their shout, comes from living in a democracy.
It comes down to the old 'Market Forces' I once asked a cattle buyer why he flew the animals live, when he could carry more if they were dead and frozen. The reply - my customers want fresh meat not frozen. Also, as another poster has raised, the alternative is long overland trucking. At some mainland European airports I have seen vets checking the animals (veal calves), counting number in a pen, and refusing animals if not considered in good condition. In Eastern Europe, I have also seen the opposite, where the shipper has crowded the animals, the aircraft has been loaded too early (still waiting for part of the load to arrive), and with difficulty maintaining a cool temperature some of the animals died on the ground. Man couldn't care less, even though it obviously meant less profit.
Now England has had the beef ban lifted, I imagine farmers want to try to regain their European market and it has been found the animals suffer less stress travelling by air than being trucked, therefore arriving fresher to market.
I don't think it will make a lot of difference to the animal protesters which port the animals are moved through, they will still have their shout, comes from living in a democracy.
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Must rot the airframes! all that urea in your ear if you live below the flight path too. Would it be a type of acid rain?
Look on the bright side, if there's an export market for veal again (dont like the stuff myself) the heifer calves get 6 weeks of milk and a ride in an airplane! at the moment they just get tapped on the head at birth as there is no market for them.
and no they dont make good pets and if you released them in the wild all the mink would attack them!
Look on the bright side, if there's an export market for veal again (dont like the stuff myself) the heifer calves get 6 weeks of milk and a ride in an airplane! at the moment they just get tapped on the head at birth as there is no market for them.
and no they dont make good pets and if you released them in the wild all the mink would attack them!
