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Cargolux details requested!

Old 12th Apr 2006, 08:15
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Jungleland, I heard the same. LG will be selling 2-3 aircraft depending on who you listen to (2 x 73, 1 x JungleJet).

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Old 12th Apr 2006, 08:26
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2 737-500 sold already last year, for the moment leased back.
1 145/135 to be sold. The rest is still unclear (fleet renewel etc...)
30 pilots less seems a lot, though. Don't think it's realistic..

Normally everyone went still through the company specific selection. Lets hope so for CV.

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Old 12th Apr 2006, 09:35
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"A little off-topic", but thats what you find on their homepage about this

Essential repositioning of the Airline

The project "Building a new Airline"

The project "Building a new Airline", which should allow Luxair Airline to reach a financial break-even by the end of 2008, has now entered its decisive phase. Luxair Airline registered a loss of 12 million euros in 2005. If no concrete measures are taken, projected results by the financial year 2008 would amount to a loss of over 21 millions euros. These losses might become even more significant if, for example, additional competing airlines take up business at Findel airport or if oil prices continue to rise. Such an accumulation and increase of losses not only jeopardize the Airline activity but Luxair S.A. as an entire company.
The project “Building a new Airline” aims at taking the necessary actions which will enable the Airline activity to reach a financial break-even and become profitable again by the year 2008, and which simultaneously guarantee the viability of Luxair as a major market player in Luxembourg and the Greater Region.

Improve commercial effectiveness
A series of measures aimed at cutting costs and increasing revenue is currently being implemented. Their objective is to improve commercial effectiveness by redefining the fare structures, by boosting the development of e-commerce and related products such as e-ticketing, by elaborating a commercial policy with enhanced focusing on customer needs, and more.
Simultaneously, a large cost cutting programme not linked to payroll is in the course of being implemented, including the renegotiation of contracts with service suppliers or the optimisation of production and strict cost monitoring.
In order to consolidate the existing markets and to capture new market segments, Luxair is also negotiating commercial agreements with other operators with a view to concluding code share agreements, following the example of the cooperation with Alitalia started recently for flights to and from Italy.

Additional measures to ensure the viability of the Airline
However, these sole measures will not suffice to make the Airline activity a viable business.
In order to improve the financial situation of Luxair Airline, a consistent increase in productivity and a reduction of the number of destinations served, as well as the restructuring of the fleet are deemed essential.
As these measures are bound to have an impact on payroll, Luxair will have to operate a progressive reduction of staff numbers, cutting about 200 jobs by the end of 2008.
Simultaneously, a freeze of salaries, applied to the entire company for the period 2007-2009, will allow Luxair to make the necessary extra savings.
With a view to implementing these extra measures, the Board of Directors, in its meeting of March 31st, 2006, gave a mandate to Luxair Management to inform and consult the Luxair Joint Committee and the social partners on these measures.

Reduced number of Luxair destinations
Luxair intends to adapt its route network to the economic realities and to the competitive environment as of the winter 2006 schedule. This entails giving priority to those destinations which have real potential and to those which are strategically essential such as London, Paris or Frankfurt. Several destinations which are currently generating heavy losses will be abandoned and there will be fewer flights to other destinations.

Restructuring of the fleet
Efficiently operating the new network of Luxair destinations will also have repercussions on the structure and size of Luxair’s future fleet. Luxair is considering e.a. the introduction of an aircraft type with 70 to 90 seats and has therefore asked for price offers with constructors such as ATR, Bombardier and Embraer.
At the moment, an option considering a fleet composed of 12 aircraft is being finalised and the final decision as to the new fleet will be taken at the beginning of May 2006.

Improvement of productivity in general
A consistent increase in productivity should enable the Airline - and Luxair in general – to optimise its production processes. Productivity gains will be negotiated as part of a discussion to renew Part 2 of the Collective Work Agreement for Employees applicable to crews, and will also be obtained as a result of specific measures within the different departments of Luxair S.A.

Reduction of staff numbers
These measures, designed to safeguard the future of the Airline and thus of Luxair, will have a knock-on effect on staff numbers. Luxair Management estimates that about 200 jobs will have to be cut by 2008. Job cuts are not an end in themselves but an unavoidable result of the steps to be taken in order to guarantee the survival of the Airline and of Luxair.
The job cutting programme will be applied progressively by the end of 2008 and comprises specific measures to operate this transition in a socially acceptable manner: freeze on recruitment, early retirement programme, staff encouraged to take early retirement, financial incentives for voluntary redundancies, part-time work or job transfers. All these measures are currently the subject of talks with the social partners.

Freezing of salaries
Luxair intends to freeze the salaries of its entire staff from 2007 to 2009 in order to enable the savings that are essential to the company’s future viability. Salaries will of course continue to rise in line with the index.

Social dialogue and information of staff
Luxair will continue its policy of information and transparent communication on the project “Building a new Airline”. The dialogue with social partners and Luxair staff will remain Luxair’s priority.
A first discussion with the Joint Committee and the social partners took place this morning, Monday April 3rd, 2006. Two special staff briefings for Luxair personnel are scheduled for this week, resp. next week.

A new Luxair in 2008
Luxair trusts that by 2008, the project “Building a new Airline” will be implemented successfully. Luxair firmly intends to become a benchmark company at the service of the population in Luxembourg and the Greater Region and to stand out a socially responsible employer.

Press contact: Marc Gerges, phone (+352) 2456-4026
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Old 12th Apr 2006, 12:14
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Problem is, thestaff being cut are the ones elegible for pre-pension.
So you still have ofices full of people who don't add any value to the company.
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Old 12th Apr 2006, 20:29
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Assessment will take place at IBF in Saarlouis, Germany.

After a medical, you will pass approx. 6hrs behind a computer doing all kind of tests. Some of the typical IQ-questions, some coordination, concentration and multitasking excersises. And a lot, I mean A LOT of personality questions. (Are you a violent person? Are you shy? Do you believe in some sort of supernateral-scientificly-nonexplainable force? ...)

So basiclly not much you can prepare for apart from having a good nights rest the night before ...

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Old 23rd Apr 2006, 16:04
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Hi Mate,

just wonder if you where at the IBF already? I am going over there next week, so maybe you got some nice information?

Take care and hope tp hear soon


Originally Posted by SNAM
What's strictly involved in the "Full Day Assessment" at Interpersonal's premises for the CV first round of selection?
Any interesting details?
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Old 23rd Apr 2006, 16:40
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Thanks for the answer, SNAM.

however, sorry for not being able to help with further interview details. I am at the IBF, but not for CV anyway.

Good luck!
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Old 23rd Apr 2006, 18:21
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here's the machine wich gonna make you sweat
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Old 26th Apr 2006, 10:27
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Hi all,

New on this forum and actually quit interested in a different job then where I am now...

Cargolux so far doesn't sound too bad, pay is good, annual leave seems ok and rosters are allright...

At least that's what it looks like in an overwiew, more detailed:

-If you apply for annual leave do you always get the dates you want or does it go on seniority or something?
-any chance somebody could email me an example of a monthly roster?
- and how far in advance do you get the roster?
-do most of the guys live in luxembourg or over the border? What about tax issues if you indeed live in germany? Double tax?

That's it so far..thanks in advance for your answers!

Best regards
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Old 26th Apr 2006, 16:27
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This should be somewhat correct, as far as I understand from people that've been there, done that.

1) Pre-screening by www.interpersonal.de. Basically all the paperwork that the HR dept used to do.

2) Invitation to IBF, a full day. Short medical, computer 2 times 3 hours, followed by a short interview with the Dr.

3) Invitation to CV HQ, interview with chief pilot and HR rep, personality questions.

The whole process: no tech questions, no sim.

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Old 14th May 2006, 11:43
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Hi guys,

new to this forum as well. Does anyone know how long the wait is between the acceptance of your application to assessment date? Is cargolux still actively recruiting?

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Old 16th May 2006, 13:54
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Will Cargolux HR invite for an interview to FO allready rated on 744 but without EU passport and JAR licence?
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Old 16th May 2006, 21:37
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I'm afraid they won't.
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Old 16th May 2006, 21:47
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from www.cargolux.com:

Other Requirements
- Total of 2500 hours flight time of which 1000 hours on jet aircraft.
- Or total of 3000 hours flight time of which 2000 hours on high performance turboprop or jet.
- Full JAR ATPL license with MCC qualification.
- Valid medical certificate
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Old 20th May 2006, 09:40
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I heard yesterday that recruitment is on going for the forseeable future, just keep trying and good luck.
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Old 25th May 2006, 07:24
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Depends on type experience.
If you have less then 600 hours on type; you are in a certain scale.
After these 600 it depends if you have more or less than 3500 TT.
These are 2 diferent scales.
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Old 25th May 2006, 08:00
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Total time is not really important, as I understand it, since CV take people with around 3000 hrs anyway, some of them much more.

During training (3 months), you get about €3000. After that, with less than 600 hrs on type you get about €4000, then with 600 hrs on type (and more than 3500TT) you get to the 'normal'/'senior' FO payscale, which is even much better. Plus allowances of course.

If you join with 10000TT on the B767, as far as I know, you will still follow the payscale described above, from year one.

Regarding selection, they hire a lot now. The selection in Saarloius is running even weekends according my source...
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Old 25th May 2006, 09:34
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Your salary depends highly on your maritual status. If you are married, you will start with about 450 Eur. net more. For each child another approx. 100 Eur. net.
Trainees salery will start at your first training day at CV and will end with your supervision check ride. Accomodation during initial training has to be payed by yourself.
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Old 25th May 2006, 09:38
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But gross is the same, no; whether you're married or single?
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Old 25th May 2006, 09:44
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Yes, gross is the same for all. Only the Lux. tax index changes. If you start now, gross will be arround 3000 Eur. as a trainee. As a junior F/O approx. 4100 Eur + shift supplements + expenses...
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